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B.C. homicides: Hunt for fugitives ends

B.C. homicides: Hunt for fugitives ends


HOUR BEFORE IT STARTED, AND WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE BIG. RCMP SENT AN E-MAIL AND SAID THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT, AND, OF COURSE, WE FOUND OUT THAT POLICE BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE THE TWO BODIES BELONGING TO THE TWO B.C. HOMICIDE SUSPECTS. IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AUTOPSIES HAVEN’T BEEN DONE YET. I ASKED THE RCMP HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT THEY ARE THEM? AND THEY ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT OR THEY WOULDN’T BE HAVING THIS PRESS CONFERENCE. THE WORLD HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS STORY. PEOPLE IN NORTHERN MANITOBA HAVE BEEN HOPING FOR AN END TO THIS. THEY’VE BEEN ON EDGE FOR WEEKS NOW AS THIS MANHUNT CONTINUES, AND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AS THESE TWO MEN WERE TRAVELLING THROUGH B.C. AND SASKATCHEWAN, THAT KIND OF THING. IT IS KIND OF THE CONCLUSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE LOOKING TO SEE. THEY DIDN’T KNOW, WOULD THEY BE FOUND ALIVE? WOULD THEY BE FOUND DEAD? FOR SO LONG PEOPLE WERE WONDERING WHERE THESE GUYS COULD BE? ARE THEY STILL UP IN GILLAM? IS SOMEONE HELPING THEM OUT? AND FINALLY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ANSWERS, THAT THEY ARE DEAD. AND THE POLICE BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE TWO BODIES. STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THE MOTIVE FOR THESE TWO KILLINGS.>>Andrew: AUSTIN, LET’S GO OVER WHAT IT IS THAT THE POLICE TOLD THE MEDIA, TOLD US, AS TO WHAT LED THEM TO BE ABLE TO NARROW THEIR SEARCH?>>Reporter: REALLY WHAT IT WAS WAS THESE PERSONAL ITEMS THAT WERE BELONGING TO THE TWO SUSPECTS. THAT’S WHAT RCMP TOLD US YESTERDAY. THEY MADE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT LAST FRIDAY THEIR OFFICERS HAD DISCOVERED PERSONAL ITEMS BELONGING TO THE SUSPECTS. THEY DIDN’T SAIS WHAT IT SAY WHT WAS. THE POLICE ALSO FOUND A DAMAGED BOAT, AND THEY HAD THE DIVE TEAM UP NORTH. IT WAS REALLY THESE ITEMS THAT LED INVESTIGATORS AND POLICE, WHO FOUND THE BODIES THIS MORNING IN THE GILLAM AREA, NEAR THE NELSON RIVER, NEAR THE SHORE LINE, TO FIND THESE TWO MEN. IT WAS REALLY THOSE PERSONAL ITEMS. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE. POLICE STILL BE TIGHT-LIPPED, NOT TELLING US. BUT JUST THE FACT THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THOSE ITEMS, CONFIRMED THEY BELONGED TO THE SUSPECTS, AND LED THEM TO THAT NARROWER AREA IN GILLAM, WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS SO BIG UP THERE. IT IS A MASSIVE FOREST. THERE IS A LOT OF WATER, A LOT OF SWAMP, AND THAT’S WHAT MADE THIS MANHUNT SO DIFFICULT. SO THE ITEMS GAVE POLICE A BIG CLUE AND HELPED THEIR INVESTIGATORS FIND THESE TWO BODIES THIS MORNING.>>Andrew: TELL US WHERE THEY WERE FOUND IN CONNECTION TO THAT BURNED OUT VEHICLE.>>Reporter: WE’RE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS CLOSE, AROUND EIGHT KILOMETRES, IF I REMEMBERING FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE, FROM WHERE THE BURNED OUT VEHICLE WAS FOUND. SO CLOSE. WE KNOW THAT POLICE WERE UP THERE EARLY ON. OUR FIRST DAY IN GILLAM, WHEN WE WERE UP THERE, WE SAW POLICE NEAR THAT AREA. THEY HAD A DRONE ON THE VERY FIRST DAY. THEY HAD CANINE DOGS, I REMEMBER SEEING THEM GOING INTO THE BUSH AND BARKING QUITE LOUDLY. THE POLICE WERE CERTAINLY AROUND THAT AREA WHERE THAT CAR WAS FOUND. WE KNOW LAST WEEK THEY WENT BACK THERE. THEY SAID THEY WERE RAMPING DOWN THE MANHUNT, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BE GOING BACK TO PLACES THEY HAD ALREADY GONE TO CHECK ON, THINGS LIKE CABINS, THAT KIND OF THING. THIS OBVIOUSLY TURNED UP SOME NEW CLUES, THE PERSONAL ITEMS BEING FOUND, AND THE BIG NEWS TODAY WITH THE BODIES BEING FOUND. THEY CERTAINLY HAD THEIR EYES ON THAT AREA. WE DON’T KNOW WHY IT TOOK THIS LONG. THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID ASK THE RCMP, AND THE RESPONSE WE GOT WAS THIS IS VERY DENSE BUSH, AND IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING HUNT FOR THESE TWO SUSPECTS.>>Andrew: THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF DETAILS WE DON’T KNOW. AND THE BIG QUESTION WE MAY NEVER HAVE A PROPER ANSWER TO IS: MOTIVATION.>>Reporter: EXACTLY. THAT’S SOMETHING I ASKED THE RCMP: DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND IF INDICATION ON WHAT COULD HAVE LED TO THIS KILLING SPREE, THREE PEOPLE KILLED? THEY SEARCHED THE SUSPECTS’ HOMES, AND DID RAIDS, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD CHAT WITH THE B.C. RCMP, THEIR COUNTERPARTS. SO, REALLY, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO HOPE RCMP WILL RELEASE THOSE DETAILS IN THE WEEKS TO COME BECAUSE NOW THIS ISN’T GOING TO COME OUT UNTIL COURT, RIGHT?>>Andrew: THOSE ARE CERTAINLY INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, AUSTIN, AND MAYBE WE COULD TALK A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE YOU WERE UP THERE IN NORTHERN MANITOBA, THAT POLICE REALLY HAVE A CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO SEARCHING. DESCRIBE THAT PART OF THE PROVINCE FOR US, YOU MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SEARCHING FOR PEOPLE IN THOSE KINDS OF CONDITIONS, THE WEATHER, THE TERRAIN, THE BUGS.>>Reporter: YEAH. I MEAN, THE LOCAL PEOPLE UP IN NORTHERN MANITOBA, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WERE IN, WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS LAND IS FOR NO STRANGERS. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN FOX LAKE CREE NATION TOLD US, ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES 45 MINUTES FROM GILLAM WHERE RCMP SPENT A LOT OF THE TIME SEARCHING. THE BUGS THERE WERE HORRENDOUS AND MANY NIGHTS. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE 10,000 BUGS FLYING ABOVE YOU. IT WAS WET. A LOT OF THE LAND IS SWAMP UP THERE. AND IT MADE CONDITIONS HARD FOR RCMP. NOT TO MENTION HOW BIG THE AREA IS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOMETRES OF BUSH. YOU’RE SURROUNDED BY TREES AND SWAMP AND BUGS AND WILDLIFE AND BEARS. SO IT WAS A MANHUNT IN THE MIDDLE OF MANITOBA WILDERNESS, AND IT WAS QUITE CHALLENGING FOR POLICE. THEY BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE EXTRA RESOURCES FROM OUT OF PROVINCE. THEY BROUGHT IN OFFICERS FROM AROUND MANITOBA, THEY BROUGHT IN THE MILITARY, AND NONE OF IT SEEMED TO WORK UNTIL THEY FOUND THESE PERSONAL ITEMS LAST FRIDAY, AND THAT WAS AFTER THE MANHUNT RAMPED DOWN, AND WE HAVE THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT TODAY THAT THEY FOUND THE BODIES. THAT IS CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING FACT BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE THE MILITARY UP THERE AND SO MUCH MANPOWER, AND IT SEEMED TO TURN UP LITTLE UNTIL LAST FRIDAY.>>Andrew: AND ONE OF THE ANSWERS WE MAY — OR ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE MAY GET AN ANSWER TO IS THE CAUSE OF DEATH. BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT DID POLICE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THESE TWO SUSPECTS?>>Reporter: REALLY, WE DON’T KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE OF DEATH IS. THAT’S SOMETHING THE AUTOPSIES ARE GOING TO SHED LIGHT ON. WE’LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. THE POLICE WERE REALLY TIGHT-LIPPED ON THEIR DETAILS. WE KNOW THAT THE POLICE FOUND THE BODIES THIS MORNING AROUND 10:00 a.m. IN THE GILLAM AREA. IT WAS THE POLICE, NOT CIVILIANS. THE CAUSE OF DEATH IS SOMETHING WE’LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE FROM THE AUTOPSIES. DID THEY HAVE FOOD UP THERE? THEY WERE UP THERE FOR SO LONG. DID THEY HAVE FOOD THEY WERE EATING? DID THEY STARVE? DID WILDLIFE POTENTIALLY GET TO THEM? THAT KIND OF THING. THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS WE’RE GOING TO WAIT AND GET ANSWERS TO.>>Andrew: IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. AUSTIN, THANK YOU. THAT IS THE CBC’S AUSTIN GRABISH LIVE IN WINNIPEG.>>>FOR MORE ON THIS WE’RE JOINED BY DOUG KILOH, A FORMER RCMP SUPERINTENDENT, AND WE REACHED HIM IN GIBBONS, BRITISH COLUMBIA. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THIS NEWS.>>Interview: THANKS FOR HAVING ME, ANDREW. FIRST OF ALL, KUDOS TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS. AS EVERYONE DISCUSSED, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN STANDING DOWN OR STEPPING BACK SOME OF THE ACTIVITY. I CAN ASSURE YOU FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, THE ACTIVITY WAS STILL GOING ON. THEY HAVE TO FOLLOWUP ON THESE THINGS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANKS TO ALL OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE GROUND UP THERE AND SUPPORTING THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND ALL POLICE WOULD BE BEHIND THAT, FOR SURE. SECONDLY, FOR THE FAMILIES, NOT MAYBE THE BEST ENDING, BUT CERTAINLY SOME FORM OF CLOSURE WILL — THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME FORM OF CLOSURE AT THIS POINT.>>Andrew: SO WHEN YOU SAY “NOT THE BEST ENDING,” I THINK YOU’RE ALLUDING TO THE FACT WE MAY NOT KNOW THE MOTIVATION, BUT COULD WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MOTIVATION, EVEN IF THESE ARE, IN FACT, THE BODIES OF THESE TWO SUSPECTS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD COME OUT IN THIS INVESTIGATION OVER THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS?>>Interview: ABSOLUTELY. AS YOU CAN APPRECIATE, ANDREW, AND WITH YOUR EXPERIENCES, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ASPECTS TO AN INVESTIGATION. ONE IS THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL ON THE GROUND SEARCH FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS, AND TO TRY TO CONTAIN AND STOP ANY FURTHER VIOLENCE. THE OTHER ASPECT WILL BE THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED. AND HOPEFULLY THERE IS SOME INDICATION AS TO WHY THEY WENT ON THIS RAMPAGE AND WHY IN THE END — WHY IT ENDED THE WAY IT DID.>>Andrew: I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, THE TOP OFFICER, TOP COP, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE RCMP IN MANITOBA — SHE WAS SAYING, LOOK, THEIR FOCUS WAS ON THE SEARCH FOR THESE TWO SUSPECTS. IT WILL BE BRITISH COLUMBIA RCMP, RIGHT, THAT HANDLES THE HOMICIDE ASPECT OF ALL OF THIS?>>Interview: RIGHT. THE ADVANTAGES I SUPPOSE OF A NATIONAL POLICE FORCE IS RESOURCES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH SPECIFIC SKILL SETS CAN BE DRAWN IN IN EVENTS LIKE THIS VERY QUICKLY. I WOULD SUSPECT THE FORENSIC ACTIVITY, THE INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVITY, STARTING FROM PORT ALBERNI AND THE HISTORY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, FOLLOWING THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO — AND IF IT IS THEM, TO THEIR RESTING PLACE, AND IT WILL BE FOLLOWED UP, AND THAT WILL BE SOME TIME YET BEFORE WE GET ALL OF THE ANSWERS THERE.>>Andrew: SO WHAT OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?>>Interview: WELL, I THINK THERE IS A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. THEY’LL START PROBABLY WITH THE POST-MORTEM, AND EXAMINE HOW THESE INDIVIDUALS CAME TO THEIR DEMISE. WHAT MAY HAVE TRIGGERED IT. WERE THEY DESPERATE. THE CONDITION OF THEIR BODIES, DID THE ENVIRONMENT PLAY INTO AFFECT? WAS IT THE CONDITION OF ALL OF THE TACTICS THAT WERE EMPLOYED BY THE POLICE, KEEPING THEM PINNED DOWN IN THE AREA, DOES THAT HAVE A PLAY IN THE FINAL END? THEY MAY HAVE SOME COMMENT OR SOME PHYSICAL MARKS THAT CAN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE THEORY OR FACT TO DETERMINE THAT. ALL THE WAY BACK TO THEIR COMPUTERS, TO THEIR INFORMATION, TO WHERE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN HEADING, ALL MAY PROVIDE CLUES TO THE POLICE INVESTIGATION.>>Andrew: WE HEARD THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER SPEAKING ABOUT HOW SHE IS, AND THE RCMP IS, CONFIDENT THAT THESE ARE, IN FACT, THE BODIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS. THAT EVEN THOUGH AN AUTOPSY HASN’T BEEN PERFORMED. WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD LEAD TO THAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE WITHOUT AN AUTOPSY BEING PERFORMED.>>Interview: CERTAINLY THE POLICE WILL LOOK FOR CORROBORATION. THEY BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THESE ARE THE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT WITH A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY THAT THEY ARE. HOWEVER, THE POLICE, MUCH LIKE THEY WOULD IN COURT, WILL WAIT FOR THE CONFIRMATION OF AN INDEPENDENT BODY TO CONFIRM THEIR FINDINGS.>>Andrew: WHAT MUST THIS BE LIKE FOR THE FAMILIES OF THE THREE VICTIMS, BUT ALSO THE FAMILY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MANITOBA WHO, FOR WEEKS, HAVE BEEN PERHAPS CONCERNED ABOUT THESE TWO SUSPECTS ON THE LOOSE?>>Interview: FIRST, FOR THE FAMILIES, NOT HAVING BEEN IN THAT, I CAN’T SPEAK FOR THEM. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME SENSE OF ACCEPTANCE AND RELIEF. HOWEVER, AGAIN, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING AND HAVING FULL KNOWLEDGE OF IT, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GRAPPLE WITH IT. AGAIN, ALL OF MY CONDOLENCES TO THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND EXTENDED FAMILIES. FOR THE COMMUNITY IN MANITOBA, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THIS STORY GRIPPED THE NATION FURTHER THAN MANITOBA, ALTHOUGH THEY FELT IT AS WELL. AND I THINK FOR EVERYBODY, AND ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE IN MANITOBA, THERE IS A SENSE OF RELIEF, THAT THEY DON’T HAVE TO FEAR GOING OUTSIDE. THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY IS PARAMOUNT FOR THE POLICE, AND THE SAFETY AND TRUST OF THAT COMMUNITY, AND THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT BEHIND IT, AGAIN, WAS PARAMOUNT FOR THE POLICE. I THINK THEY CAN TAKE SOME SOLÍCE IN THE EFFORT AND TRUST OF THE POLICE, WHETHER IT IS CONTAINING THE INDIVIDUALS, PUTTING THEM TO GROUND, OR THE CONSTANT DRIVE, THE SOUND OF THE DOGS, AS WAS MENTIONED — WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT DROVE THEM TO THIS DESPERATE END, IF THAT IS WHAT HAS OCCURRED, PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED AS WELL.>>Andrew: IT IS INTERESTING, THERE WAS FRUSTRATION EXPRESSED BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS THE SEARCH INTENSIFIED, AND THEN IT WAS SCALED BACK, BUT THERE ALSO MUST HAVE BEEN — AND MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS — FRUSTRATION FROM POLICE THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF HAVING WEEKS GO BY WITHOUT ANY KIND OF RESOLUTION.>>Interview: THE INTENSITY FOR THE POLICE AND THE FOCUS AND THE DRIVE IS UNRELENTING. AND IF YOU’RE INVOLVED IN THESE SITUATIONS, ALL OF THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PUT INTO LONG PERIODS OF DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENT, LONG PERIODS OF HIGH-STRESS ENVIRONMENT. SO THEIR FRUSTRATIONS DUE MOUNT, BUT IT DOESN’T DETER FROM THE DETERMINATION AND EFFORT OF THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE GROUND, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED WITH A NUMBER OF THOSE RCMP PERSONNEL, THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THEY WERE FOCUSED ON SUCCESS. AND THE FRUSTRATIONS ASIDE, THEY WERE FOCUSED TO SEE THIS THROUGH.>>Andrew: TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT — AND THE RCMP COMMISSIONER WOULDN’T GIVE US EXACT DETAILS, BUT WHAT SHE FELT THEY NEEDED, WHAT RCMP NEEDED, WAS THEY NEEDED A PIECE OF EVIDENCE, SOMETHING BELONGING TO THE SUSPECTS IN ALL OF THIS, AND HOW THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO NARROW THEIR SEARCH.>>Interview: IT’S CONFIRMATION. AS I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IT IS CORROBORATION AND CONFIRMATION OF INFORMATION. THEY HAVE TO CONFIRM AND REFUTE ANY ASPECT OF THE INVESTIGATION, WHETHER IT IS AN EYE WITNESS SIGHTING OR POTENTIAL SIGHTING, WHETHER IT IS A COMMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHETHER IT IS A STRANGE VEHICLE IN THE AREA, ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE INVESTIGATIVE ASPECTS TO FOLLOW UP AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE TEAMS ON THE GROUND. SO TO SPECULATE EXACTLY WHAT CONFIRMATION WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ME. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE REALLY ENDLESS.>>Andrew: AND, ALSO, IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR HER TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE VERY DIFFICULT TERRAIN, VERY, VERY DENSE BRUSH, NO TRAILS, THICK BRUSH, YOU CAN’T EVEN GO ARM IN ARM. THE CHALLENGES OF FINDING BODIES OR FINDING PEOPLE IN AN AREA LIKE NORTHERN MANITOBA JUST MUST BE HUGE.>>Interview: WELL, IT’S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. AS I MENTIONED ONCE BEFORE, IT’S NOT A SEARCH-AND-RESCUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO BE FOUND. THESE POTENTIALLY WERE COMBATANTS. THEY WERE POTENTIALLY SETTING UP AN AMBUSH, SO THE POLICE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO CONTACT. IN REAL TERMS, THAT’S WHAT IT IS. THE CONTACT CAN BE INITIATED BY THE SUSPECTS IN THIS CASE, WHICH MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND STRESSFUL FOR THE POLICE. AND WITH TWO INDIVIDUALS, THAT THREAT GOES UP DOUBLY AS AN EXPEDENTIAL THREAT, IN MY MIND.>>Andrew: AND WHERE DOES THE INVESTIGATION GO FROM HERE, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE AUTOPSIES BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE HOMICIDES?>>Interview: WELL, THE INVESTIGATION WILL CONTINUE. THEY WILL HAVE TO CLOSE OFF ASPECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR INQUIRIES, THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR INTERNAL REVIEWS. THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT HOW THEY OPERATED WITH SUCH — YOU KNOW, UNDER SUCH DIFFICULT TIMES AND LOGISTICS. THERE IS A REVIEW PERIOD THAT WILL OCCUR. BUT INITIALLY, I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE RELIEF, BOTH BY THE INVESTIGATIVE AND TACTICAL TEAMS, OPERATIONAL TEAMS, ADMINISTRATION, ALL ACROSS THE FORCE. AND, AS YOU POINTED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, ONCE THAT IS DONE, EVERYTHING WILL BE COLLECTED, COLATED, CORROBORATED, AND DETAILED IN A SEARCHABLE DATA BASE THAT THE POLICE WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IN THE FUTURE.>>Andrew: DOUG, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Interview: YOU’RE WELCOME.>>Andrew: FORMER RCMP SUPERINTENDENT DOUG KILOH IN GIBBONS.>>>MINISTER RALPH GOOD GOOD HAS TWEETED:>>Andrew: MEGHAN BATCHELOR HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THIS STORY FROM VANCOUVER, AND SHE JOINS US NOW TO REMIND US OF HOW EVENTS UNFOLDED OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS.>>Reporter: YEAH, ANDREW. WE’LL REMEMBER THAT THIS MANHUNT MAY HAVE BEEN AROUND TWO WEEKS LONG, BUT THIS STORY DATES BACK THREE WEEKS ALREADY. IT STARTED BACK ON JULY 15, AND THAT’S WHEN THE BODIES OF LUCAS FOWLER AND CHYNNA DEESE WERE FOUND SOUTH OF LIARD HOT SPRINGS IN NORTHERN B.C., THAT’S THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE PROVINCE. THOSE WERE THE FIRST TWO VICTIMS TO BE LINKED TO THIS CASE. THAT FOLLOWING FRIDAY, THE BODY OF LEONARD DYCK WAS FOUND. AT THAT TIME IT WAS AN UNIDENTIFIED BODY. HE WAS FOUND 50 KILOMETRES SOUTH OF DEASE LAKE. THAT BODY HAD BEEN FOUND A COUPLE OF KILOMETRES AWAY FROM THE BURNED-OUT TRUCK THAT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BELONGED TO KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, AROUND TWO DAYS AFTER THAT DISCOVERY, KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY WERE SPOTTED IN MEADOW LAKE, SASKATCHEWAN. AND THEY WERE ALSO SPOTTED IN COLD LAKE ALBERTA BEFORE THAT. BUT THE MEDIA WASN’T TOLD ABOUT THOSE SIGHTINGS UNTIL A FEW DAYS LATER. AND JULY 23rd WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT DAY, AND THAT WAS THE DAY AFTER THE TWO HAD BEEN DECLARED MISSING PEOPLE. ON JULY 23rd THEY WERE DECLARED MURDER SUSPECTS IN THE DEATHS OF LUCAS FOWLER, CHYNNA DEESE, AND LEONARD DYCK. AND THE POLICE SAID AT THAT POINT THEY WERE LAST SEEN IN SASKATCHEWAN. ON JULY 24th, ANOTHER BURNED-OUT VEHICLE WAS FOUND, THIS TIME IN NORTHERN MANITOBA, AND THAT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BELONGED TO KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY, AND THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF GILLAM, AND THAT’S WHAT MADE THE RCMP REALLY FOCUS THEIR SEARCH IN NORTHERN EASTERN MANITOBA. ON SATURDAY, JULY 27th, THE MILITARY GOT INVOLVED IN THIS SEARCH. THIS IS DAYS AFTER THE SEARCH HAD INITIALLY BEEN INITIATED IN NORTHERN MANITOBA. THERE HAD BEEN NO CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS OF THE TWO SINCE THEY WERE DECLARED MURDER SUSPECTS ON JULY 23rd. AND THEN ON THE 28th OF JULY, THAT’S WHEN THE BEAR CLAN MADE THAT SIGHTING IN YORK LANDING. THIS IS AN INDIGENOUS SEARCH GROUP THAT WAS THERE TO HELP OUT THE RCMP, AND YORK LANDING WAS JUST TO THE WEST OF GILLAM. AND THAT SIGHTING DID ULT — IT ULTIMATELY WAS DETERMINED TO BE UNSUBSTANTIATED. AND THAT BRINGS US TO FRIDAY, LAST FRIDAY, WHEN RCMP SAY THEY FOUND THAT CRITICAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE, AND THAT WAS THE ITEMS THAT THEY SAY BELONGED TO KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY, AND THEY WERE FOUND NEAR A BOAT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO THE TWO, BUT THE ITEMS WERE FOUND NEARBY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, TODAY THE DISCOVERY OF THEIR BODIES AT 10:00 THIS MORNING, WHO THEY BELIEVE ARE THEIR BODIES.>>Andrew: MEGHAN, THANK YOU. ONE OF THE FIRST SIGHTINGS OF THE FUGITIVES WAS BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN NAMED AS SUSPECTS. THEY WERE IN JADE CITY, A SHOP ON HIGHWAY 37IN NORTHERN B.C., NOT FAR FROM DEASE LAKE, WHERE VICTIM LEONARD DYCK WAS FOUND. CLAUDIA BUNTS IS THE OWNER OF JADE CITY, AND SHE JOINS ME NOW. YOUR STAFF ENCOUNTERED THE SUSPECT. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THIS NEWS THAT THEIR BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND?>>Interview: WELL, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH EVERYONE’S MINDS HERE. THERE IS A LOT TO PROCESS AND TO GO THROUGH AGAIN. I REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY VICTIMS IN THIS CRIME. AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND, LIKE US, WHO MET THEM, WHO SAW THEM, WHO — YOU KNOW, WHO WERE WORRIED THAT THEY WERE HERE. I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS IN THIS.>>Andrew: HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANYONE ELSE IN THE AREA WHO ENCOUNTERED THE SUSPECTS?>>Interview: UM…I’VE HEARD NEWS THAT A FEW OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAD GONE INTO AND TALKED TO — I THINK WE’RE ALL FEELING THE SAME WAY. AND, THAT IS, WHY? DO WE GO BACK TO NORMAL? I DON’T THINK SO. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY OF US QUICKLY ARE GOING TO STOP LOCKING OUR DOORS OR BE LOOKING AT PEOPLE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO RECOVER FROM. IT WAS VERY QUICK FOR US HERE. WE’VE ONLY BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR THREE WEEKS, NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY WERE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN MANITOBA, AND THE FEAR DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY — I THINK IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO RECOVER FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.>>Andrew: AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE KEY QUESTION: WHY? HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL THAT WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?>>Interview: UM…I MEAN, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT COULD WE DO EVEN IF WE KNEW WHY? I THINK, OF COURSE, WE ALL WONDER WHY? WHAT CREATES THIS? BUT WE MAY NEVER KNOW.>>Andrew: AND CAN YOU TAKE US BACK TO WHEN YOU HAD AN ENCOUNTER, WHEN YOU SAW THESE TWO SUSPECTS? JUST TELL US WHAT THAT WAS LIKE, WHAT THEY WERE LIKE.>>Interview: WELL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY BUSY HERE IN THE SUMMERTIME. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH. THEY WERE NORMAL, EYES DOWN, NOT REALLY SOCIAL. THEY WERE TEENAGERS. THEY PURCHASED SOMETHING IN OUR STORE. THEY PURCHASED A LITTLE JADE BEAR. AND TO THINK THAT A FEW HOURS LATER THAT THEY MURDERED SOMEBODY, AND WHAT IF THEY STAYED HERE THAT NIGHT? ALL OF THESE THINGS GO THROUGH OUR MINDS. IT IS UNEASY. BUT, HONESTLY, I HAVE THREE SONS. I FEEL DEEPLY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE ANY CALM — I DON’T THINK IT IS JUST, OKAY, IT IS OVER AND LET’S JUST MOVE ON. I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT TO PROCESS.>>Andrew: IT WAS INTERESTING LISTENING TO THE RCMP SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY GIVE THE FAMILIES OR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED BY ALL OF THIS SOME CLOSURE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXHALE. DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU CAN EXHALE A LITTLE BIT?>>Interview: YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A REALLY BIT THAT YOU CAN EXHALE BECAUSE, YES, THEY’RE FOUND, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT MORE TO DEAL WITH. YES, IN A SENSE. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SCARRING US FOR A WHILE.>>Andrew: SO HOW DO YOU KIND OF MOVE ON? HOW DO YOU HEAL FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS?>>Interview: YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY, AND WE ALL STICK TOGETHER, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNITIES WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP EACH OTHER. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WILL HELP US TO MOVE ON AND TO HEAL.>>Andrew: CLAUDIA, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Interview: THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>Andrew: CLAUDIA BUNCE IN JADE CITY, BRITISH COLUMBIA.>>>THIS BREAKING NEWS BEGAN LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO, WHEN THE RCMP SAID THEY WOULD HOLD A NEWS CONFERENCE TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT. HERE IS WHAT THE RCMP’S ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER IN MANITOBA TOLD REPORTERS.>>OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, OUR OFFICERS HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO FIND THE SUSPECTS WANTED IN CONNECTION TO THE HOMICIDES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. WHILE THERE WERE NO CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS SINCE JULY 22nd, WE NEVER GAVE UP IN OUR SEARCH EFFORTS, FOLLOWING UP ON EVERY LEAD, CONSIDERING ALL OPTIONS, AND USING EVERY AVAILABLE RESOURCE. WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED JUST TO FIND THAT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT COULD MOVE THIS SEARCH FORWARD. ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 2nd, THAT ONE CRITICAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE WAS FOUND. ITEMS DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE SUSPECTS WERE LOCATED ON THE SHORE LINE OF THE NELSON RIVER. FOLLOWING THIS DISCOVERY, WE WERE AT LAST ABLE TO NARROW DOWN THE SEARCH. WE IMMEDIATELY SENT IN SPECIALIZED RCMP TEAMS TO BEGIN SEARCHING NEARBY HIGH-PROBABILITY AREAS. THIS MORNING, AT APPROXIMATELY 10:00 A.M., RCMP OFFICERS LOCATED TO MALE BODIES IN THE DENSE BRUSH, WITHIN ONE KILOMETRE FROM WHERE THE ITEMS WERE FOUND. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT KILOMETRES FROM WHERE THE BURNED VEHICLE WAS LOCATED. AT THIS TIME, WE BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE BODIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE HOMICIDES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. AN AUTOPSY IS BEING SCHEDULED IN WINNIPEG TO CONFIRM THEIR IDENTITIES AND TO DETERMINE THEIR CAUSE OF DEATH. TO THE FAMILIES OF EVERYONE AFFECTED BY THE SERIES OF EVENTS OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN SO VERY DIFFICULT, AND I HOPE TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT CAN BEGIN TO BRING SOME CLOSURE. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITIES AND THE LEADERSHIP OF GILLAM, FOX LAKE CREE NATION, AND YORK LANDING. YOUR LIVES HAVE BEEN DISRUPTED. MANY OF YOU LIVED WITH UNCERTAINTY AND FEAR. BUT THROUGHOUT YOU WERE RESILIENT. YOU CAME TOGETHER AS COMMUNITIES, AND YOU HELPED OUR OFFICERS GET THE JOB DONE. TO THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THIS SEARCH, I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR DETERMINATION, YOUR INNOVATION, FOR NEVER GIVING UP, AND FOR WORKING NIGHT AND DAY TO BRING THIS SEARCH TO A CONCLUSION. THIS WAS A SEARCH THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ACHIEVED WITHOUT THE HELP FROM OUR PARTNERS AND THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES. FROM RCMP EMPLOYEES WHO CAME IN FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND FROM MULTIPLE PRIVATE PARTNERS, ABOVE ALL, HOWEVER, IT WAS A SEARCH THAT COULD ONLY BE SUCCESSFUL IF WE HAD STRONG PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU TO ALL CANADIANS FOR REMAINING VIGILANT, FOR CALLING US WITH INFORMATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR BEING OUR PARTNERS.>>Andrew: THE SEARCH EFFORT FOR THE TWO FUGITIVES LASTED FOR THREE AND A HALF WEEKS.>>>DURING THE LONG SEARCH FOR THE SUSPECTS, WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEM, AS WELL AS CRIMINAL EXPERTS. THE CBC’S TANYA FLETCHER HAS MORE ON KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY, AND WHAT MAY HAVE MOTIVATED THEM.>>Reporter: THEIR FACES HAVE BEEN SEEN AROUND THE WORLD, BUT IN THEIR HOME TOWN OF PORT ALBERNI, B.C., IT IS A STRUGGLE TO FIND PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEM WELL. MUCH OF THEIR SOCIAL INTERACTION APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONLINE. BOTH HAD PROFILES ON GAMING SITES. THESE PHOTOS WERE SENT BY A FELLOW GAMER. HE SAYS THE 18-YEAR-OLD OFTEN WANTED TO DISCUSS THE NAZI REGIME, AND MENTIONED HIS AIR-SOFT RIFLE SEVERAL TIMES. HIS FATHER SAYS HE GOT IT FOR HIM FOR CHRISTMAS.>>TO CHRISTMASES AGO, HE ASKED ME FOR AN AIR-SOFT GUN. HE SAID, ME AND THE FELLOWS LIKE TO GO OUT IN THE WOODS AND PLAY WAR.>>Reporter: HE SAYS THE PAIR LOVED PLAYING VIDEOS, BUT IT WAS THEIR PARENT LOVE OF VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES THAT RAISED CONCERNS.>>HE WOULD SAY IF THIS IS REAL? HE COULDN’T IMAGINE THAT THIS WAS REAL.>>Reporter: LISA LIVES NEXT DOOR TO BRYER SCHMEGELSKY’S GRANDMOTHER, AND HER SON PLAYED WITH HIM GROWING UP, BUT THE BOYS EVENTUALLY GREW APART.>>HE GAVE OFF A WEIRD KIND OF VIBE.>>Reporter: OTHERS WHO KNEW HIM MORE RECENTLY DESCRIBED HIM AS AN OUTSIDER.>>HE IS DEFINITELY NOT THE AVERAGE GUY. HE IS A LITTLE WEIRD.>>Reporter: MATTHEW MET HIM AT A SKATE PARK A FEW MONTHS AGO. IN APRIL, BRYER SCHMEGELSKY SENT HIM THIS MESSAGE, ASKING IF HE WANTED TO MEET UP TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS.>>HE SAID, IF I WANTED TO START A MALITIA S.>>Reporter: WE DON’T KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT KAM McLEOD. SEVERAL PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH IN PORT ALBERNI DESCRIBED HIM AS POLITE. WORKERS AT A COFFEE SHOP HE FREQUENTED SAID HE WAS VERY CONSIDERATE. THOSE ARE THE SAME WORDS HIS FATHER USED TO DESCRIBE HIM. IN A STATEMENT, HE WRITES:>>Reporter: THE TWO CHILDHOOD FRIENDS ALSO WORKED TOGETHER RECENTLY AT WAL-MART. FOR A SEEMINGLY — FOR A PAIR ON THE RUN, ONE USUALLY EMERGES AS THE CLEAR LEADER.>>THE FOLLOWER MIGHT REALIZE THEY’RE IN OVER THEIR HEAD, THAT THEY HAD DONE THINGS THEY DIDN’T ANTICIPATE DOING, AND THEY SUDDENLY REALIZE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS. THIS COULD LEAD TO MOMENTS OF DISCORD.>>Reporter: FOR THE FRIENDS TURNED FUGITIVES, QUESTIONS REMAIN THAT ONLY THEY CAN ANSWER. TANYA FLETCHER, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.>>Andrew: LET’S GO LIVE TO GILLAM, MANITOBA. NAN SAHONA IS THE OWNER OF THE KETTLE INN. WHAT IS THIS NEWS THAT THE MANHUNT IS OVER MEAN TO YOU AND TO YOUR COMMUNITY. ?>>Interview: WHEN WE HEARD THE NEWS — FROM WHAT I CAN TELL PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED TO HEAR THE NEWS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT IS VERY SAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY’RE VERY YOUNG, 18 AND 19 YEARS OLD. AT THE SAME POINT, EVERYBODY IS RELIEVED.>>Andrew: AND, NAV, WE WERE JUST SHOWING OUR VIEWERS A PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN INSIDE THE KETTLE RIVER INN, WHERE THE PATRONS THERE WERE WATCHING THE NEWS. AND, IN FACT, THESE TWO BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND, THAT THIS MANHUNT IS OVER FOR BRYER SCHMEGELSKY AND KAM McLEOD. BUT TELL ME A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WERE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE THERE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WERE FEELING NOW THAT THIS MANHUNT IS OVER, THAT THEIR BODIES — THAT THE BODIES OF THESE TWO SUSPECTS HAVE BEEN FOUND? BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE TENSE IN GILLAM, RIGHT, FOR A FEW WEEKS?>>Interview: YES, IT WAS INTENSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNEW THAT THEY WEREN’T GOING TO SURVIVE. I’VE HEARD SOMETHING THE FIRST WEEK, AND I WASN’T EXPECTING ANY NEWS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ALIVE. I EXPECTED IT, BUT IT’S A CLOSURE, RIGHT? IT’S GOOD TO HEAR THAT THEY’VE BEEN FOUND.>>Andrew: WHAT HAS THE POLICE PRESENCE BEEN LIKE IN GILLAM OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS?>>Interview: OH, VERY HECTIC. THE RCMP HAS BEEN GREAT. THEY’RE DEFINITELY WORKING SUPER HARD TRYING TO FIND THESE SUSPECTS.>>Andrew: AND WHAT WAS IT LIKE LIVING IN GILLAM, KNOWING OR THINKING THAT MAYBE THEY WERE STILL OUT THERE AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS?>>Interview: VERY, VERY HECTIC. JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GILLAM IS SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY. WE NEVER HEARD ANY NEWS LIKE THIS. WE’RE NOT USED TO ANYTHING OF THIS SORT. SO…YOU KNOW, IT WAS A SHOCK FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT’S FOR SURE.>>Andrew: AND, NAV, YOU SAID YOU DIDN’T EXPECT THEM TO SURVIVE. TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. WHAT’S IT LIKE? WHAT IS THE TERRAIN? WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS LIKE IN AND AROUND GILLAM?>>Interview: WELL, I PERSONALLY AM NOT A BUSH PERSON. I GREW UP IN THE CITY. BUT JUST FROM GOING TO THE RIVER AND THE LAKE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT’S ALL SWAMP. YOU KNOW, IT’S NOT A ROAD WHERE YOU CAN JUST WALK ANYWHERE. IT IS VERY HARD TO SURVIVE. AND EVEN THE WILDLIFE, YOU KNOW. THERE ARE BEARS EVEN IN TOWN RIGHT NOW ROAMING AROUND STREETS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING. SO I CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE HOW IT IS IN THE BUSH.>>Andrew: HAVE YOU HEARD FROM ANYBODY WHO HAVE BEEN REACTING TO THE NEWS THAT THE BODIES OF THE SUSPECTS WERE FOUND NEAR YOUR COMMUNITY?>>Interview: UM…YEAH, LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE RESTAURANT. THEY ARE SAD. JUST FOR THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SO YOUNG, 18AND 19 YEARS OLD. THEY JUST COMPLETELY DESTROYED THEIR LIVES. THEY COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH WITH THEIR LIVES. BUT IT’S A CLOSURE TO THE COMMUNITY, IT IS A CLOSURE TO THE PARENTS, AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH IT.>>Andrew: THE RCMP SAYS THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXHALE. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXHALE? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT EASIER?>>Interview: I’M GOING TO TRY.>>Andrew: NAV, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME. THE OWNER OF THE KETTLE RIVER INN IN GILLAM, MANITOBA.>>>AND THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK. I’M ANDREW NICHOLS. IF YOU’RE JUST JOINING US, WE’RE TRACKING MAJOR BREAKING NEWS FOR YOU THIS AFTERNOON. THE MANHUNT FOR TWO MURDER SUSPECTS IN MANITOBA IS OVER. RCMP DISCOVERED TWO BODIES TODAY THAT THEY BELIEVE ARE FUGITIVES, KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY. POLICE SAY ITEMS FOUND ALONG THE SHORE OF THE NELSON RIVER LATE LAST WEEK HELPED NARROW THEIR SEARCH. AND TODAY THE BODIES WERE FOUND NEARBY IN DENSE BRUSH. KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY WERE WANTED FOR THREE MURDERS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. THE RCMP SAY AUTOPSIES WILL DETERMINE HOW THE SUSPECTS DIED AND THEY BELIEVE CONFIRM THEIR IDENTITIES. [PLEASE STAND BY] NEWS. THE WORLD HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS STORY, PEOPLE IN NORTHERN MANITOBA HAVE BEEN HOPING FOR AN END TO THIS. THEY’VE BEEN ON EDGE FOR WEEKS NOW, AS THIS MANHUNT CONTINUES AND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS THESE MEN WERE TRAVELLING THROUGHOUT B.C. AND SASKATCHEWAN, THAT KIND OF THING. AND IT’S KIND OF THE CONCLUSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE LOOKING TO SEE. THEY DIDN’T KNOW, WOULD THEY BE FOUNTAIN ALIVE, WOULD THEY BE FOUND DEAD AND FOR SO LONG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WONDERING ARE THEY ALIVE, IS SOMEONE HELPING THEM OUT AND NOW FINALLY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ANSWERS IN THAT THEY ARE DEAD, POLICE BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE THEIR BODIES AND IT IS THE TWO SUSPECTS. BUT STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THE MOTIVE FOR THESE KILLINGS.>>Andrew: I WANT TO GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, AUSTIN, BUT LET’S GO OVER WHAT IT IS THAT POLICE TOLD YOU, TOLD THE MEDIA, TOLD CANADIANS WHO ARE WATCHING IN TERMS OF WHAT LED THEM TO BE ABLE TO NARROW THEIR SEARCH.>>Reporter: SO REALLY, WHAT IT WAS WAS THESE PERSONAL ITEMS THAT WERE BELONGING TO THE TWO SUSPECTS. THAT’S WHAT RCMP TOLD US YESTERDAY. THEY MADE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT LAST FRIDAY, THEIR OFFICERS HAD DISCOVERED PERSONAL ITEMS BELONGING TO THE SUSPECTS. THEY DIDN’T SAY WHAT IT WAS. WE KNOW THAT POLICE HAD ALSO FOUND A DAMAGED BOAT AND THIS THEY HAD THE DIVE TEAM UP NORTH AND REALLY IT WAS THESE ITEMS THAT KIND OF LED INVESTIGATORS AND POLICE WHO FOUND THE BODIES THIS MORNING IN THE GILLAM AREA, NEAR THE NELSON RIVER, NEAR THE SHORELINE, TO FIND THESE TWO MEN. IT WAS REALLY THOSE PERSONAL ITEMS. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, POLICE STILL BEING TIGHT-LIPPED, NOT TELLING US BUT JUST THE FACT THIS THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THOSE ITEMS, CONFIRM THAT THEY BELONGED TO THE SUSPECTS, LED THEM TO THAT KIND OF NARROWER AREA IN GILLAM, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT’S SO BIG UP THERE. IT’S A MASSIVE FOREST, THERE’S A LOT OF WATER EVERYWHERE, THERE’S A LOT OF SWAMP AND THAT’S REALLY WHAT MADE THIS MANHUNT SO DIFFICULT. SO THOSE ITEMS GAVE POLICE A BIG CLUE AND IT ULTIMATELY HELPED THEIR INVESTIGATORS FIND THE TWO BODIES THIS MORNING.>>Andrew: AND SO TELL US ABOUT WHERE THEY WERE FOUND IN CONNECTION TO THAT BURNED OUT VEHICLE.>>Reporter: SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS CLOSE. IT WAS AROUND 8 KILOMETRES, IF I’M REMEMBERING RIGHT FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE, FROM WHERE THAT BURNT OUT VEHICLE WAS FOUND. SO CLOSE, CLOSE. AND IT’S INTERESTING, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT POLICE WERE UP THERE EARLY ON, OUR FIRST DAY IN GILLAM WHEN WE WERE UP THERE, WE SAW POLICE NEAR THAT AREA. THEY HAD A DRONE ON OUR VERY FIRST DAY, THEY HAD CANINE DOGS, I REMEMBER SEEING THEM GOING INTO THE BUSH AND BARKING QUITE LOUDLY. SO POLICE WERE CERTAINLY AROUND THAT AREA WHERE THAT CAR WAS FOUND AND THEN WE KNOW LAST WEEK THEY WENT BACK THERE. THEY SAID THEY WERE RAMPING DOWN THE MANHUNT, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BE GOING BACK TO PLACES THEY HAD ALREADY GONE TO CHECK ON, THINGS LIKE CABINS, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THIS OBVIOUSLY TURNED UP SOME NEW CLUES, THOSE PERSONAL ITEMS BEING FOUND AND THEN THE BIG NEWS TODAY WITH THE BODIES BEING FOUND. SO YOU KNOW, THEY’VE CERTAINLY HAD THEIR IENS THAT AREA, WE DON’T KNOW WHY IT TOOK THIS LONG, THAT’S SOMETHING WE DID ASK RCMP AND THE RESPONSE WE GOT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT’S A VERY DENSE BUSH UP THERE, THIS IS WHERE THEIR BODIES WERE FOUND AND IN VERY DENSE BUSH AND IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING HUNT FOR THESE TWO SUSPECTS.>>Andrew: AND THEY’RE STILL AS YOU WERE MENTIONING, AUSTIN, THERE ARE STILL A HOT OF DETAILS WE DON’T KNOW AND OBVIOUSLY THE BIG QUESTION THAT WE MAY NEVER HAVE A PROPER ANSWER TO IS MOTIVATION.>>Reporter: EXACTLY. AND THAT’S SOMETHING I ASKED THE RCMP, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF INDICATION ON WHAT COULD HAVE LED THIS KILLING SPREE, THREE PEOPLE KILLED. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT POLICE HAVE SEARCHED THE SUSPECTS’ HOMES AND THEY DID A RAID SO WE ASKED, HAVE YOU GOT ANY CLUES ON MOTIVATION, THAT KIND OF THING. AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS THAT WE SHOULD CHAT WITH THE B.C. RCMP, THEIR COUNTERPARTS, AND SO REALLY WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO HOPE RCMP WILL RELEASE THOSE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, IN THE WEEKS TO COME, BECAUSE NOW THIS ISN’T GOING TO COME OUT THROUGH COURT, RIGHT SO –>>Andrew: YEAH, AND THOSE ARE CERTAINLY INTERESTING QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO INTERESTING, AUSTIN, MAYBE WE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE, YOU WERE IN NORTHERN MANITOBA, THAT YOU KNOW, POLICE REALLY SEEMED TO HAVE A CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO SEARCHING. DESCRIBE THAT PART OF THE PROVINCE FOR US. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SEARCHING FOR PEOPLE IN THAT — THOSE KINDS OF CONDITIONS, THE WEATHER, THE TERRAIN, THE BUGS.>>Reporter: YEAH, I MEAN, THE LOCAL PEOPLE UP IN NORTHERN MANITOBA IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WERE IN WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS LAND IS FOR NO STRANGERS, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN FOX LAKE CREE NATION TOLD US, THAT’S ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES WHERE RCMP SPENT A LOT OF THEIR TIME SEARCHING. THE BUGS UP THERE WHY QUITE HORRENDOUS ON MANY NIGHTS, YOU WOULD LOOK UP AND IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD 10,000 BUGS FLYING ABOVE, IT WAS WET, IT WAS DAMP, A LOT OF THE LAND IS SWAMP SO IT MADE CONDITIONS REALLY HARD FOR RCMP, NOT TO MENTION HOW BIG THE CERTAINLY AREA WAS. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOMETRES OF BUSH. YOU DRIVE ON THE ONE ROAD THOUSAND DOLLAR IN AND OUT AND YOU’RE SURROUNDED BY TREES AND SWAMP AND BUGS AND WILDLIFE AND BEARS, SO REALLY, IT WAS A MANHUNT IN THE MIDDLE OF MANITOBA WILDERNESS, AND IT WAS QUITE CHALLENGING FOR POLICE, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT IN ALL THOSE EXTRA RESOURCES FROM OUT OF PROVINCE, THEY BROUGHT IN OUFICERS FROM AROUND MANITOBA. THEY BROUGHT IN THE MILITARY. AND NONE OF IT SEEMED TO WORK UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THEY FOUND THESE PERSONAL ITEMS ON LAST FRIDAY AND THAT WAS AGAIN AFTER THE MANHUNT SEEMED TO RAMP DOWN. AND THEN YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT TODAY THAT THEY FIND THE BODIES. SO THAT IS CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING FACT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY DID HAVE THE MILITARY UP THERE, THEY DID HAVE SO MUCH MANPOWER AND IT REALLY SEEMED TO TURN UP LITTLE UNTIL LAST FRIDAY.>>Andrew: AND ONE OF THE ANSWERS WE MAY — OR ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE MAY GET AN ANSWER TO IS THE CAUSE OF DEATH. BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT DID POLICE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THESE TWO SUSPECTS?>>Reporter: REALLY, WE DON’T KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE OF DEATH IS. THAT’S SOMETHING THE AUTOPSIES ARE GOING TO SHED LIGHT ON AND THAT’S SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. POLICE WERE REALLY TIGHT-LIPPED ON THEIR DETAILS. THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE POLICE THEMSELVES FOUND THE BODIES THIS MORNING AROUND 10 a.m. IN THE GILLAM AREA, WASN’T A CIVILIAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WAS POLICE OUT SEARCHING ON THIS MANHUNT. REALLY THE CAUSE OF DEATH, THAT’S SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE FROM THE AUTOPSIES. DID THEY HAVE FOOD UP THERE, THEY WERE UP THERE FOR SO LONG, DID THEY HAVE FOOD THEY WERE EATING, DID THEY STARVE, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE POTENTIALLY GOT TO THEM, THAT KIND OF THING? THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS WE’RE GOING TO WAIT AND GET ANSWERS TO.>>THE CBC’S AUSTIN GRABBISH IN WINNIPEG.>>FOR MORE ON THIS I WANT TO BRING IN SHERRY BENSON-POD OLCHULK, A FORMER RCMP OFFICER AND SHE JOINS US FROM GIMLI, MANITOBA. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THIS NEWS?>>Reporter: WELL, I THINK IT’S WELCOMING NEWS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE VICTIMS OF TH- THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS AS WELL. THIS IS WELCOMING NEWS. AND LIKE THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER SAID, THE COMMUNITIES, ALL THE COMMUNITIES UP THERE INCLUDING THE POLICE CAN TAKE A COLLECTIVE EXHALE AND RELAX AND TRY TO GET BACK TO THE NEW NORMAL. THERE’S ALWAYS THE UNPREDICTABLE UNKNOWN IN ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION, AND YOUR REPORTER IS RIGHT, UP THERE IT’S DENSE BUSH, SOMEONE COULD HAVE WALKED RIGHT BY THEM AND NOT HAVE SEEN THEM, BECAUSE IT’S SO DENSE AND IT’S SO DIFFICULT TO EVEN LOOK FROM — LIKE AN AERIAL VIEW. SO IT’S VERY DIFFICULT IF THEY HAD BEEN HIDING THERE, WHO KNOWS, WE DON’T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, SO IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING FOR THESE TWO SUSPECTS TO BE FOUND AT ANY TIME.>>Andrew: HOW DO YOU THINK THE PERSONAL ITEMS THAT WERE FOUND EARLIER THIS WEEK WERE HELPFUL IN THIS?>>WELL, ANYTIME YOU’RE SIGNATURING AND YOU CAN’T — OUR TRYING TO LOCATE A SUSPECT, YOU LOOK FOR STUFF THAT LINKS THEM TO AN AREA. AND THEN YOU CAN — OKAY THEY WERE HERE, HOW LONG DOES IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE HERE, JUST YESTERDAY, TODAY, FIVE DAYS AGO? THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE SEARCH — YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY FIND. BUT THEY HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT IT’S THEIR STUFF, THAT IT BELONGED TO THE TWO SUSPECTS. NOW, AND THEY DID THAT, IT SEEMED LIKE THINGS REALLY MOVED ALONG QUICKLY.>>Andrew: WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT THE SUSPECTS’ BODIES WERE FOUND, THAT THIS IS THE W WOULD APPEAR RESOLUTION HAS HAPPENED?>>WELL, THEY GAVE AN INDICATION, WE KNOW AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE PACKETS THAT THEY HAD, IT WAS GOING TO BE A SUICIDE PACT AND IT’S ALWAYS SAD WHEN THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY RASP ET CETERA UP THE FEAR AND THE ANXIETY FOR THE POLICE, DOING THEIR JOB TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC, WHO ARE WONDERING ARE THESE TWO SUSPECTS OUT THERE, ANYTIME WHEN I GO FOR A WALK, OR MY CHILDREN ARE PLAYING OUTSIDE. SO THERE’S THAT ELEMENT OF FEAR THERE. BUT NO, I’M NOT SURPRISED. IT’S ALWAYS SAD WHEN MORE PEOPLE DIE, RIGHT. YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO THE MILLIONS OF QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE UNTIL THE END OF TIME, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THEY DID THIS AND WHY THEY DECIDED TO — WHY DID THEY DECIDE TO GO TO GILLAM AND HIDE OUT THERE. SO IT’S NOT A SURPRISE. IT’S ALWAYS DISAPPOINTING, BUT — BECAUSE THOSE QUESTIONS NEVER GET ANSWERED AND I’M SURE THE POLICE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE THIS COME TO A MORE PEACEFUL RESOLUTION, WHERE THEY WERE BROUGHT INTO CUSTODY.>>Andrew: AND SHERRY, AT THIS POINT WE DON’T KNOW A CAUSE OF DEATH. BUT WILL THOSE AUTOPSY RESULTS HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT?>>WELL, I GUESS IT JUST DEPEND- WELL, YEAH, FOR SURE, A PATHOLOGIST WILL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO RULE OUT DIFFERENT THINGS WE JUST DON’T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAPPENED TO THE BODIES AND HOW LONG THEY WERE OUT THERE. THE ELEMENTS, THE ANIMALS AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DIED. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO DETERMINE THAT. AND I THINK THE LONGER THEY WERE OUT THERE, THE MORE CHALLENGING IT IS BUT I’M SURE THEY WILL FIND SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION WITH REGARDS TO HOW THEY ACTUALLY DIED.>>Andrew: SO IS THERE A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION? I THINK YOU WERE ALLUDING TO IT FROM POLICE DO YOU THINK, THAT THIS IS HOW THIS HAS ENDED, THAT THESE KEY QUESTIONS, WHY, THE MOTIVATION, MAY NOT BE KNOWN?>>YEAH, I DON’T THINK YOU’LL EVER COME TO AN ANSWER THAT WOULD BE COMFORTING OR EVEN SAY, OKAY, WE CAN TICK THAT ONE OFF, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE BEHAVE SUCH DESTRUCTIVE VIOLENT MANNERS, IS THERE ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, GOES CLICK AND THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT. I THINK IT’S MOSTLY LIKE THE RANDOMNESS OF THE MURDERS, WHICH IS REALLY VERY DIFFICULT FOR ALL OF US AS CANADIANS AND CITIZENS OF THIS WORLD TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT. AND YEAH, THE POLICE — IT WAS EXHAUSTING, THE STRESS LEVEL, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THEIR PROFESSIONALISM OUT THERE IN THOSE EXTREME CONDITIONS, WITH THE BUGS, YOUR REPORTER MENTIONED THE MILLIONS OF BUGS, AS WELL AS TRYING TO REASSURE THE CANADIAN PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITIES WHO WERE DEALING WITH THIS TYPE OF STRESS.>>Andrew: WHAT DO YOU THINK LED POLICE TO SAY WE ARE CONFIDENT THIS IS THEM, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THESE ARE THE TWO SUSPECTS, THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL AUTOPSY RESULTS BECAUSE THAT THEY WERE CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO INVITE THE MEDIA AND TO HAVE A NEWS CONFERENCE AND TO SAY THIS, THAT THIS IS THEM?>>WELL, IT COULD BE A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE WOULD BE HOW TALL ARE THESE TWO PEOPLE, THEY’RE — WHAT WERE THEY LAST SEEN WEARING, IS IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WERE LAST SEEN WEARING, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THEM THAT IS IDENTIFIABLE, LIKE RINGS, TATTOOS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DON’T KNOW THAT MAYBE THE POLICE KNOW, THE FAMILIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS KNOW AND WOULD HAVE SHARED THAT WITH THE POLICE.>>Andrew: ARE YOU SURPRISED HOW LONG THE SUSPECTS MANAGED TO EVADE POLICE?>>NO, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE VASTNESS OF THE WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING SURROUNDED BY BUSH AND MUSKEG AND THERE’S NO ROADS, THERE’S NO LIGHTS, EVERYTHING I- IT’S REALLY CHALLENGING UP THERE. I KNEW THAT ONE DAY THEY WOULD BE FOUND, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 8 KILOMETRES AWAY OR 200 KILOMETRES AWAY, IF THEY WERE STILL UP THERE. I KNEW THAT ONE DAY THEY WOULD BE FOUND. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT SOMEWHERE FOR SUPPLIES. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY — THEY WERE FOUND THIS WAY, YOU KNOW. YOU ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING — YOU ALWAYS WANT AN ARREST TO BE — WITH NO VIOLENCE AND YOU KNOW, BRING IN THE SUSPECTS AND THEN LET THE COURTS TAKE OVER. BUT IT’S JUST A VAST AREA TO SEARCH AND THE TERRAIN IS SO CHALLENGING, AND EVEN WITH ALL THE SUPPORT THEY HAD, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE WALKED BY THEM AND NOT EVEN HAVE SEEN THEM, BECAUSE OF THE BRUSH AND JUST THE TERRAIN THAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH.>>Andrew: AND SO HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THAT SEARCH HAVE BEEN AND HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IT WAS FOR POLICE TO NARROW THE SEARCH DOWN?>>WELL, I THINK IT’S — ITS NARROW IT DOWN, IS COMES WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY FIND AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SEARCH IN DIFFERENT AREAS. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE MANPOWER, THEY HAD A LOT OF MANPOWER UP THERE. AND SOMETIMES IT’S JUST TAKING A CERTAIN AREA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING IN ON THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE TERRAIN THAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH IS NOTHING — REALLY HARD TO CRITICIZE ANY KIND OF — IF THEY MISSED ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE VASTNESS OF THAT AREA. AND YOU KNOW, JUST THE CHALLENGES OF DEALING WITH THE TERRAIN AND THE WEATHER AND THE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.>>Andrew:>>Andrew: WE HEARD FROM THE RCMP COMMISSIONER SPEAKING ABOUT HOW IT’S SO DENSE AND SO — YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS ARE SO TOUGH THE TERRAIN IS SO TOUGH THAT YOU CAN’T EVEN SEARCH ARM IN ARM, I MEAN, CAN YOU — DO YOU KNOW THAT PART OF THE PROVINCE? IN TERMS OF NORTHERN MANITOBA, WHAT IT’S LIKE UP THERE>>YEAH, I’M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA UP THERE SO YEAH, GOING UP — YOU KNOW, GOING ON A TRAIL UP THERE IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN STEPPING OFF THE PATH, YOU JUST DISAPPEAR AND YOU JUST CAN’T GO RUNNING IN THERE ARM IN ARM TRYING TO DO A NORMAL GRID SEARCH. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO BECAUSE THERE’S TREES AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR WAY AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU DON’T TRIP OVER ANYTHING AND YOU’RE SEARCHING INTO THE GROUND. SO IT’S REALLY CHALLENGING JUST TO EVEN WALK LET ALONE FLEEING THE POLICE, LET ALONE THE POLICE TRYING TO DO THEIR SEARCH.>>Andrew: TELL US ABOUT WHERE THE INVESTIGATION GOES NEXT, THE MANITOBA RCMP INVESTIGATION IN TERMS OF THE AUTOPSY RESULTS OF THE BODIES, BUT ALSO THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS INVESTIGATIONS PLACE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA.>>YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ALL — ALL OF THOSE HOMICIDES OCCURRED IN B.C. SO THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER MADE THE COMMENT THAT THAT WILL BE HANDLED BY THE B.C. POLICE, AND I’M SURE THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PRESS RELEASES AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS DISCOVERY TODAY.>>Andrew: AND SO JUST FINALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU’VE COME ON THE AIR, YOU’VE SPOKEN TO US MANY TIMES, JUST YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT AS A FORMER RCMP OFFICER, WHAT THIS HAS BEEN LIKE FOR YOU TO WATCH ALL OF THIS AND WHAT YOUR SENSE IS OF HOW THIS ALL TOOK PLACE.>>WELL, MY HEART — YOU KNOW, IT’S ALWAYS FEELING FOR THE VICTIMS — THE FAMILIES AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU WANT PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEN AS A FORMER POLICE OFFICER, YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY — ANY POLICE OFFICERS SHOT OR INJURED AS THIS UNFOLDS. AND OF COURSE THERE’S THAT HIGH STRESS THAT TAKES A TOLL ON YOUR MENTAL HEALTH AND ALSO THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT THEY’VE SHOWN IN THE COMMUNITY IS A REALLY — STRENGTH AND COURAGE, RESILIENCE, YOU KNOW, ON HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT. SO I’M ALWAYS HOPING WHEN THESE KIND OF EVENTS END — AND IT IS ALMOST AN ENDING, AND AS THEY UNFOLD INTO A NEW NORMAL, THAT PEOPLE GET THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED, BOTH THE POLICE AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY. THEY GET WHAT THEY NEED SO THAT THEY CAN RECOVER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A NEW NORMAL AND NOT BE A FREE TRADE.>>Andrew: SHERRY, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>Andrew: THAT WAS SHERRY BENSON-PODOLCHUK, A FORMER RCMP OFFICER JOINING US FROM GIMLI, MANITOBA. JENNIFER HALL IS WITH ME ON THE SET WITH MORE ABOUT THE SUSPECTS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A MAJOR STORY IN THIS COUNTRY FOR WEEKS. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE MISSING AND THEN THEY WERE SUSPECTS. WE KNOW THERE WAS THREE, THEY WERE CONNECTED WITH THE MURDERS OF THREE PEOPLE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AND NOW THE BIG NEWS TODAY, WHAT SOME, AS TIME WENT ON, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WERE STARTING TO THINK, THIS IS HOW IT’S GOING TO END.>>Reporter: AND YOUNG MEN, 18 AND 19 YEARS OLD. JOUST IN THEIR LATE TEENS. AND TODAY WE KNOW SEVERAL FAMILIES ARE MOURNING, NOT JUST THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS, LUCAS FOWLER, CHYNNA DEESE AND LEONARD DYCK BUT ALSO TWO FAMILIES IN PORT ALBERNI, B.C. HAVE LOST THEIR SONS. AND SO LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT NOW ABOUT THESE TWO YOUNG SUSPECTS. 19-YEAR-OLD KAM McLEOD AND 18-YEAR-OLD BRYER SCHMEGELSKY WERE SAID TO BE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS, AND THEY HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AT A WAL-MART IN PORT ALBERNI, B.C. THE FATHER OF BRYER SCHMEGELSKY TOLD THE MEDIA WHEN AT THIS POINT THE TWO YOUNG MEN HAD JUST BEEN DECLARED MISSING, THAT THE PARRETT OFF ON AN ADVENTURE, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WORK IN THE YUKON, SO THEY SET OFF IN THEIR SUV AND HE BELIEVED THAT THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO. IN A WRITTEN STATEMENT, THE FATHER OF 19-YEAR-OLD KAM McLEOD CALLED HIS SON A KIND, CONSIDERATE, CARING YOUNG MAN WHO ALWAYS HAD BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S FEELINGS, SAID THAT THE FAMILY WAS IN SHOCK AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN TRAPPED IN THEIR HOME FOR SOME TIME IN PORT ALBERNI, B.C. BECAUSE, REMEMBER, THAT IS WHERE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA FOCUS WAS AT FIRST, WHEN THESE TWO WERE LISTED AS SUSPECTS. AFTER THEY HAD BEEN LISTED AS MISSING. A FRIEND OF KAM McLEOD DESCRIBES HIM AS A BIG GAMING NERD AND SOMEONE WHO WAS A HAPPY PERSON AND SAID THAT HE WAS MOSTLY INTO FANTASY VIDEO GAMES. NOW, BRYER SCHMEGELSKY, WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, BECAUSE HIS FATHER ACTUALLY HAS WRITTEN A BOOK THAT HE HANDED OUT TO REPORTERS, SELF-PUBLISHED. IN WHICH HE SPEAKS ABOUT A VERY TROUBLED FAMILY LIFE. AND ALLEN SCHMEGELSKY SAID THAT IN THIS TOUGH CHILDHOOD, HIS SON WAS IN EXTREME PAIN, BECAUSE OF AN EARLY DIVORCE AT AROUND AGE 5 OR 6. AND SAID THAT HE BELIEVED THAT IF HIS SON WAS INDEED GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES AND WAS CAUGHT, HE SAID HE BELIEVED HIS SON WOULD WANT TO GO OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY. BRYER SCHMEGELSKY GREW UP IN THIS SMALL VANCOUVER ISLAND COMMUNITY, PORT ALBERNI, AND HIS DAD SAID THAT AT ABOUT 2005, THAT’S WHEN THE PARENTS SPLIT, HE SAID HIS SON CHANGED AND HIS MAIN INFLUENCES BECAME VIDEO GAMES AND YOUTUBE AND SO THAT HIS SON WAS IN SERIOUS PAIN. WE KNOW THAT THE PAIR ALSO ENJOYED PLAYING ON VIDEO GAMES AND ONE OF THEM AS A GAMING SITE CALLED STEAM. AND AN ANONYMOUS PERSON CAME FORWARD TO SAY THAT HE HAD MET THIS PAIR THROUGH THIS GAME AND SAID THAT SCHMEGELSKY WAS FASCINATED BY NAZI HISTORY AND THAT LAST YEAR HAD SENT HIM PHOTOS OF NAZI REGALIA HE HAD BEEN COLLECTING. WHEN SCHMEGELSKY’S FATHER WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT, HE SAID HE KNEW THAT HIS SON WAS FASCINATED BY NAZI MEMORABILIA BUT SAID HE WAS NOT A NAZI SYMPATHIZER. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, BUT NO IDEA, ANDREW, OF ANY POSSIBLE MOTIVE.>>Andrew: MM-HMM. WE MAY NEVER KNOW. JENNIFER, THANK YOU. THE CBC’S MEGAN BATCHELOR JOINS US LIVE IN OUR VANCOUVER NEWSROOM, OF COURSE BRITISH COLUMBIA IS THE SITE OF THOSE THREE HOMICIDES AND MEGHAN, THIS MANHUNT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. REMIND US OF SOME OF ITS KEY MOMENTS.>>Reporter: WELL, ANDREW, THIS MANHUNT HAS BEEN GOING ON OVER TWO WEEKS NOW, BUT THIS STORY DATES BACK THREE WEEKS AND IT ALL STARTED IN B.C., IN PARTICULAR IN NORTHERN B.C. AND IT ALL STARTED BACK ON JULY 15th. THAT’S WHEN THE BODIES OF LUCAS FOWLER AND CHYNNA DEESE WERE FOUND, LUCAS WAS AN AUSTRALIAN TOURIST, CRYNNA, HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS AN AMERICAN TOURIST, THEIR BODIES WERE FOUND ON A HIGHWAY SOUTH OF LIARD HOT SPRINGS ON JULY 15th. THEN THAT FRIDAY, THIS HAPPENED ON MONDAY, THAT FRIDAY OF THAT WEEK, THE TRUCK THAT WAS USED BY THE SUSPECTS, BY SCHMEGELSKY AND McLEOD, WAS FOUND JUST OUTSIDE OF DEASE LAKE AND THERE HAD BEEN A REPORTED SIGHTING OF THOSE SUSPECTS IN DEASE LAKE AND THAT IS JUST WEST OF WHERE THE BODIES OF FOWLER AND DEES HAD BEEN FOUND AND ALSO RCMP AT THAT CRIME SCENE FOUND THE BODY OF LEONARD DYCK AND THAT WAS FOUND SOUTH OF THEIR BURNT OUT TRUCK, THAT WAS FOUND SOUTH OF DEASE LAKE. WHICH KNOW LEONARD DYCK WAS ORIGINALLY FROM VANCOUVER. HE DID SOME WORK WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA. THEN ON JULY 21ST THEY WERE FOUND DRIVING A TOYOTA RAV 4 IN MEADOW LAKE, SASKATCHEWAN, THEY HAD ALSO BEEN SPOTTED IN COLD LAKE, ALBERTA. AND THEN ON JULY 22nd, THAT RAV 4 WAS FOUND BURNT OUT NEAR THE FOX LAKE FIRST NATION IN MANITOBA. AND DURING THIS PART OF THE TIME LINE, THESE TWO WERE CONSIDERED MISSING PEOPLE, NOT SUSPECTS AT THAT POINT. THAT DIDN’T COME UNTIL THE FOLLOWING DAY, JULY 23rd. RCMP DECLARED THE TWO MURDER SUSPECTS IN THE DEATHS OF FOWLER, DEESE AND DYCK. THAT IS WHEN THIS MANHUNT REALLY GOT GOING. THAT’S WHEN THEY WERE FOUND TO BE ON THE RUN AND THAT’S WHEN THIS MANHUNT STARTED. ON JULY 27th, THINGS RAMPED UP WHEN THE CANADIAN MILITARY OFFERED THEIR RESOURCES TO HELP IN THIS SEARCH IN GILLAM, MANITOBA. AND THEN ON JULY 31ST, THE RCMP ACTUALLY STARTED TO SCALE BACK THEIR SEARCH AFTER ONE UNSUBSTANTIATED TIP THAT THEY HAD BEEN SEEN NEAR — IN A NEARBY COMMUNITY AND THAT WAS UNSUBSTANTIATED. AND THEN JUST TWO DAYS AFTER THEY SCALED BACK, THAT CRITICAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE WAS FOUND OUTSIDE OF GILLAM ON THE SHORES OF THE NELSON RIVER, THAT THE RCMP SAY WAS LINKED TO THE PAIR AND THEN OF COURSE TODAY, ANDREW, THAT FINAL NEWS THAT THE TWO BODIES HAD BEEN FOUND, BELIEVED TO BELONG TO SCHMEGELSKY AND McLEOD.>>Andrew: THIS IS ALSO A TIME TO REMEMBER THE VICTIMS.>>Reporter: CERTAINLY IS, ANDREW. I KNOW WE’RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE DISCOVERY OF THESE BODIES, BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THOSE THREE VICTIMS THAT DIED IN NORTHERN B.C., AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS. AND IT’S LEFT THREE FAMILIES IN MOURNING. TAKE A LISTEN.>>I NEED FOR ANYONE WITH INFORMATION TO SHARE THAT, BECAUSE THIS CAN’T HAPPEN TO ANOTHER FAMILY. AND IT SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED TO OURS.>>A GRIEF STRICKEN MOTHER IN THE SOUTHERN U.S. EIGHT DAYS AFTER HER DAUGHTER’S BODY WAS FOUND ON A LONELY HIGHWAY IN B.C.’S FAR NORTH. CHYNNA DEESE WAS 24, TRAVELLING WITH HER AUSTRALIAN BOYFRIEND, 23-YEAR-OLD LUCAS FOWLER. THIS IS THE LAST KNOWN VIDEO OF THE COUPLE TOGETHER, BEFORE THEY WERE KILLED BY GUNSHOTS.>>WE ARE JUST DISTRAUGHT. THIS HAS REALLY TORN TWO FAMILIES APART.>>STEVEN FOWLER, A SENIOR OFFICER ON THE NEW SOUTH WALES POLICE FORCE, TRAVELLED TO CANADA.>>LUCAS WAS JUST A FUN-LOVING GUY WHO, YOU KNOW, HAD A GOAL TO TRAVEL THE WORLD. HE MET CHYNNA AND THEY BECAME AN INSPARABLE PAIR. YOU KNOW, IT’S A LOVE STORY THAT’S ENDED TRAGICALLY. IT REALLY IS.>>Reporter: SHEILA DEESE SAID HER FAMILY WAS IN DESPAIR.>>I HAVE ONE LESS CHILD. AND I HAVE THREE VERY SAD CHILDREN. THEY ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, MOM CAN ONLY BE AS HAPPY AS HER SADDEST CHILD. AND I HAVE THREE BROKEN KIDS.>>Reporter: THE BODY OF THE THIRD VICTIM WAS DISCOVERED ON JULY 19th, WELL WEST OF THE FIRST CRIME SCENE, NEAR A DODGE PICKUP TRUCK WITH A CAMP HE THAT WAS ON FIRE. IT TOOK FIVE DAYS TO IDENTIFY LEONARD DYCK, AGED 64. A BOTANIST WHO LECTURED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA.>>THE HARD WORK HE DID, RAISING HIS KIDS, AND THE — THE EQUALLY HARD WORK HE DID AS RESEARCHER. HE LOVED IT.>>Reporter: HIS FAMILY SAID “HE WAS A LOVING HUSBAND AND FATHER, HIS DEATH HAS CREATED UNTHINKABLE GRIEF AND WE’RE STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS HAPPENED”. FRIENDS SAY HE ENJOYED CAMPING AND WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT PLANT LIFE. THAT MAY BE WHAT LED HIM TO HIS FINAL HOURS AMID THE B.C. WILDERNESS. AND CBC NEWS HAS REACHED OUT TO THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS, SO FAR WE’VE HEARD FROM THE MOTHER OF CHYNNA DEESE, ALL SHE COULD SAY IS THAT SHE IS SPEECHLESS WITH TODAY’S NEWS, ANDREW.>>Andrew: YEAH, THAT WAS THE CBC’S AUSTIN GRABBISH FROM WINNIPEG WHO DID CONTACT AS WE MENTIONED CHINA DECEMBER’S MOTHER SAYING THAT SHE IS SPEECHLESS, THAT HER SONS MAY SPEAK BUT SHE’S CERTAINLY NOT IN A POSITION TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW BUT THE CBC’S MEGAN BATCHELOR, THANK YOU. THE TWO YOUNG MEN WERE FROM THE CITY OF PORT ALBERNI ON CENTRAL VANCOUVER ISLAND. THE POPULATION THERE IS ABOUT 17,000. SO THE MANHUNT HAS AFFECTED THAT COMMUNITY. AND CHARLES BECKINGHAM IS A LAWYER IN PORT ALBERNI AND HIS FAMILY HAS HAD A LAW PRACTICE THERE FOR MORE THAN 60 YEARS. AND CHARLES JOINS ME NOW. WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE IN PORT ALBERNI FOR THE PAST FEW WEEKS AND WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THE NEWS THAT THE BODIES OF THESE TWO SUSPECTS HAVE BEEN FOUND?>>WELL, WE IN PORT ALBERNI HAVE BEEN SURPRISED THAT WE’VE COME INTO SUCH NOTORIETY, FIRSTLY. THE PRESS HAS BEEN GENERALLY OVERWHELMING TO SOME PEOPLE. BUT FOR MOST PEOPLE, IT’S MORE OF A CURIOSITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THE TOWN SITE HAS BEEN VARIOUSLY DESCRIBED AS PICTURESQUE AND BEAUTIFUL AND THERE’S BEEN COMPLIMENTARY PHOTOS OF PORT ALBERNI THROUGHOUT THE PRESS, BUT TO HEAR THAT THEY HAVE — THEIR BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RELIEVED THAT THIS MATTER IS OVER. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN PORT ALBERNI WHO KNOW THE FAMILIES OF THESE TWO BOYS AND, OF COURSE, THEY’RE VERY SADDENED BY THE NEWS.>>Andrew: TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW THEM PERMANENTLY SO I CAN’T REALLY SAY MUCH BUT I HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN MY OFFICE THAT KNOW THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY’RE NATURALLY JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE ATTENTION THAT’S GOING TO TAKE TO THIS MATTER AND THE — I GUESS THE SADNESS THAT THEY FEEL.>>Andrew: WOULD YOU SAY THE CITY WAS CONSUMED BY THIS STORY?>>NO, I WOULDN’T SAY IT WAS CONSUMED. I THINK THERE WAS UNDERSTANDABLE INTEREST IN IT AND IT WAS THE TOPIC OF MANY CONVERSATIONS. BUT I DON’T THINK IT WAS TERRIBLY DISTRACTING. I WORK IN THE COURT SYSTEM AND I’M IN PORT ALBERNI COURTS GENERALLY ON A DAILY BASIS. AND I DON’T THINK IT DISTRACTED PEOPLE, BUT IT WAS A FREQUENT TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.>>Andrew: AND SO NOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS, SINCE YOU DO WORK IN THE COURT SYSTEM… CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT WHERE THE INVESTIGATION GOES NEXT, MAYBE SOME OF THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY NEVER GET ANSWERS TO?>>YES. WELL, I DON’T KNOW ACTUALLY WHERE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION HERE IN PORT ALBERNI OR NOT. HAD THEY BEEN TAKEN ALIVE, OF COURSE, THE INVESTIGATION WOULD GO INTO HIGH GEAR, WITH QUESTIONING OF THE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE. NOW THAT THEY’RE DECEASED I THINK IT’S QUITE LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE LESS INTENSITY IN THAT INVESTIGATION. I IMAGINE THAT THE POLICE HAVE ALREADY FOLLOWED UP MOST OF THE LEADS HERE IN PORT ALBERNI THAT THEY’RE INTERESTED IN, INCLUDING THEIR COMPUTER HISTORY AND BASICALLY THE SOCIAL HISTORY OF THESE BOYS SO THEY WERE NOT BOYS THAT WERE KNOWN TO THE COURT SYSTEM. IF THEY HAD BEEN, I WOULD HAVE KNOWN PROBABLY QUITE A BIT ABOUT THEM, BECAUSE I’M AS I SAID DAILY IN COURT AND I WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THEM BUT THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS WERE NOT KNOWN TO THE COURT SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN VARIOUSLY DESCRIBED AS JUST VERY NICE BOYS. THERE ARE SOME REPORTS ABOUT ONE OF THE BOYS THAT I HAVE HEARD THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE, BUT I DON’T THINK IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO REPEAT THEM.>>Andrew: DO YOU THINK THAT — ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT THIS IS HOW THIS ENDED, WITH THEIR BODIES BEING FOUND?>>WELL, WE SPECULATED THAT’S PRECISELY HOW IT WOULD END, FRANKLY, SO NO, I’M NOT SURPRISED. AND I BELIEVE — IN FACT EVEN Mr. SCHMEGELSKY, THE BOY’S FATHER SPECULATED AT SOME POINT THAT THIS IS — MAY WELL BE THE KIND OF ENDING THAT HE ANTICIPATED.>>IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OR IN THE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE WORKED THROUGH CASES LIKE THIS, I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE CASE IN MANY WAYS, BUT IS THERE A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION OR A LACK OF CLOSURE SOMETIMES WHEN THIS IS HOW IT ENDS, WHETHER BODIES ARE FOUND AND SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY THE MOTIVATION JUST CAN’T GET ANSWERED?>>YEAH, I THINK THAT’S FAIR ENOUGH COMMENT. THE COURT PROCESS IS QUITE FREQUENTLY A QAT ARCH I CAN PROCESS. IT IS THE AIRING OF EVIDENCE AND IT GOES A LONG WAY TO DESCRIBING MOTIVATIONS AND THE MECHANICS OF WHAT HAPPENED. AND NOW THAT THIS END HAS — IT’S COME TO THIS END, WHICH WON’T HAVE THAT INSIGHT. SO THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HEAR BUT I THINK IT’S KIND OF UNLIKELY.>>Andrew: AND IN THE END, FIVE PEOPLE ARE DEAD, RIGHT. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT SAY?>>YEAH, THAT’S THE AWFUL — THE FAMILIES OF THESE FIVE INDIVIDUALS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.>>Andrew: ALL RIGHT, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME. CHARLES, THANK YOU. CHARLES BECKINGHAM IS A LAWYER IN PORT ALBERNI, BRITISH COLUMBIA. IF YOU’RE JUST JOINING US, WE’RE TRACKING BREAKING NEWS HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK. THE MANHUNT FOR TWO MURDER SUSPECTS IN MANITOBA IS OVER. RCMP DISCOVERED TWO BODIES TODAY THAT THEY BELIEVE ARE FUGITIVES KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY. HERE IS WHAT THE RCMP’S ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER IN MANITOBA TOLD REPORTERS.>>OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, OUR OFFICERS HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO FIND THE SUSPECTS WANTED IN CONNECTION TO THE HOMICIDES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. WHILE THERE WERE NO CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS SINCE JULY 22nd WE NEVER GAVE UP IN OUR SEARCH EFFORTS, USING EVERY AVAILABLE RESOURCE. WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED JUST TO FIND THAT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT COULD MOVE THIS SEARCH FORWARD. ON FRIDAY AUGUST 2 UNDER, THAT 2nd, THATITEM WAS FOUND. ITEMS CONNECTED TO THE SUSPECTS WERE LOCATED ON THE SHORELINE OF THE NELSON RIVER. FOLLOWING THIS DISCOVERY WE WERE AT LAST ABLE TO NARROW DOWN THE SEVERAL. WE IMMEDIATELY SENT IN SPECIALIZED RCMP TEAMS TO BEGIN SEARCHING NEARBY HIGH PROBABILITY AREAS. THIS MORNING AT APPROXIMATELY 10 a.m. RCMP OFFICERS LOCATED TWO MALE BODIES IN THE DENSE BRUSH WITHIN ONE KILOMETRE FROM WHERE THE BODIES WERE FOUND. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 8 KILOMETRES FROM WHERE THE BURNT VEHICLE WAS LOCATED. AT THIS TIME, WE BELIEVE THESE ARE THE BODIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE HOMICIDES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. AN AUTOPSY IS BEING SCHEDULED IN WINNIPEG TO DETERMINE THEIR IDENTITIES AND TO DETERMINE THEIR CAUSE OF DEATH. TO THE FAMILIES OF EVERYONE AFFECTED BY THE SERIES OF EVENTS OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN SO VERY DIFFICULT AND I HOPE TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT CAN BEGIN TO BRING SOME CLOSURE. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITIES AND THE LEADERSHIP OF GILLAM, FOX FIRST CREEK AND YORK LANDING. YOUR LIVES HAVE BEEN DISRUPTED. MANY OF YOU LIVED WITH UNCERTAINTY AND FEAR, BUT THROUGHOUT, YOU WERE RESILLIENT, YOU CAME TOGETHER AS COMMUNITIES AND YOU HELPED OUR OFFICERS GET THE JOB DONE. TO THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE SEARCHERS I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR DETERMINATION, YOUR NOTIFICATION, FOR NEVER GIVING UP AND FOR WORKING NIGHT AND DAY TO BRING THIS SEARCH TO A CONCLUSION. THIS WAS A SEARCH THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ACHIEVED WITHOUT THE HELP FROM OUR PARTNERS AND THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCE. FROM RCMP EMPLOYEES WHO CAME IN FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND FROM MULTIPLE PRIVATE PARTNERS. ABOVE ALL HOWEVER, IT WAS A SEARCH THAT COULD ONLY BE SUCCESSFUL IF WE HAD STRONG PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU TO ALL CANADIANS FOR REMAINING VIGILANT, FOR CALLING US WITH INFORMATION AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR BEING OUR PARTNERS.>>Andrew: THE SEARCH EFFORT FOR THE TWO FUGITIVES LASTED FOR THREE AND A HALF WEEKS. CANADA’S MINISTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY SENT OUT THIS TWEET SHORTLY AFTER THE RCMP ANNOUNCEMENT. RALPH GOODALE SAYS… AND THE BRITISH COLUMBIA RCMP WILL HOLD A NEWS CONFERENCE LATER TODAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR INVESTIGATION. THAT’S EXPECTED AT 3 p.m. PACIFIC, 6 p.m. EASTERN, WE’LL CARRY IT FOR YOU LIVE RIGHT HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK. LAST HOUR, WE SPOKE TO DOUG KILOW, A FORMER RCMP SUPERINTENDENT AND WE REACHED HIM IN GIBBONS, BRITISH COLUMBIA. HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE RCMP UPDATE.>>FIRST OF ALL, KUDOS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THIS, AS EVERYONE DISCUSSED THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN STANDING DOWN OR STEPPING BACK SOME OF THE ACTIVITY. I CAN ASSURE YOU FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE THE ACTIVITY WAS STILL GOING ON, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THESE THINGS SO I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANKS TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE ON THE GROUND UP THERE AND SUPPORTING THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ALL POLICE WOULD BE BEHIND THAT FOR SURE. SECONDLY, TO THE FAMILIES, NOT MAYBE THE BEST ENDING BUT CERTAINLY SOME FORM OF CLOSURE WILL — THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME FORM OF CLOSURE AT THIS POINT.>>Andrew: SO WHEN YOU SAY NOT THE BEST ENDING, I THINK YOU’RE ALLUDING TO THE FACT THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW THE MOTIVATION, BUT COULD WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MOTIVATION EVEN IF THESE ARE IN FACT THE BODIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD COME OUT IN THIS INVESTIGATION OVER THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS?>>ABSOLUTELY. AS YOU CAN APPRECIATE, ANDREW AND WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE, THERE’S ALL KINDS OF ASPECTS TO AN INVESTIGATION. ONE IS THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL ON THE GROUND SEARCH FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND TO TRY AND CONTAIN AND STOP ANY FURTHER VIOLENCE. THE OTHER ASPECTS WILL BE THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED AND HOPEFULLY THERE’S SOME INDICATION AS TO WHY THEY WENT ON THIS RAMPAGE AND WHY IN THE END THAT — IT ENDED THE WAY IT DID.>>Andrew: SO I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, THE TOP OFFICER, TOP COP IF YOU WILL, FOR THE RCMP IN MANITOBA, THAT SHE WAS SAYING, LOOK, I MEAN, THEIR FOCUS WAS ON THE SEARCH FOR THESE TWO SUSPECTS. IT WILL BE BRITISH COLUMBIA RCMP, RIGHT, THAT HANDLES THE HOMICIDE ASPECT OF ALL OF THIS?>>RIGHT, THE ADVANTAGES OF A NATIONAL POLICE FORCE IS RESOURCES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH SPECIFIC SKILL SETS CAN BE DRAWN IN IN EVENTS LIKE THIS VERY QUICKLY. AND I WOULD SUSPECT THE FORENSIC ACTIVITY, THE INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVITY STARTING FROM PORT ALBERNI AND THE HISTORY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, FOLLOWING THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO THEIR — AND IF IT IS THEM, THEIR RESTING PLACE, WILL BE FOLLOWED UP, AND THAT WILL BE SOMETIME YET BEFORE WE GET ALL THE ANSWERS THERE.>>Andrew: SO WHAT KIND — WHAT OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?>>WELL, I THINK THERE’S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, THEY WILL START PROBABLY WITH THE POST-MORTEM AND EXAMINE HOW THESE INDIVIDUALS CAME TO THEIR DEMISE, WHAT MAY HAVE TRIGGERED IT, WERE THEY DESPERATE, WERE THE CONDITION OF THEIR BODIES AND THE ENVIRONMENT, DID THAT PLAY INTO THE EFFECT, WAS IT PERHAPS EVEN THE CONDITION OF, AS YOU MENTIONED, ALL THE TACTICS THAT WERE EMPLOYED BY THE POLICE, KEEPING THEM PINNED DOWN IN THE AREA, DOES THAT HAVE A PLAY IN THE FINAL END? THEY MAY HAVE SOME COMMENT OR SOME PHYSICAL MARKS THAT CAN SUPPORT THE THEORY OR FACT TO DETERMINE THAT. ALL THE WAY BACK TO THEIR COMPUTERS TO THEIR GAMING ACTION, TO WHERE THEY MIGHT BE AND HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY TO WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN HEADING, ALL MAY PROVIDE CLUES FOR THE POLICE INVESTIGATION.>>Andrew: WE HEARD THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER SPEAKING ABOUT HOW SHE IS AND THE RCMP IS CONFIDENT THAT THESE ARE IN FACT THE BODIES OF THE TWO SUSPECTS, THAT EVEN THOUGH AN AUTOPSY HASN’T BEEN PERFORMED. WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD LEAD TO THAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE WITHOUT AN AUTOPSY BEING PERFORMED?>>WELL, CERTAINLY THE POLICE IN ANY KIND OF INSTANCE LIKE THIS WILL LOOK FOR CORROBORATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THEY BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THESE ARE THE TWO INDIVIDUALS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT WITH A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY THAT THEY ARE; HOWEVER, THE POLICE MUCH LIKE IN COURT WILL WAIT FOR THE CONFIRMATION OF AN INDEPENDENT BODY TO CONFIRM THEIR FINDINGS.>>Andrew: THAT WAS DOUG KILOH, A FORMER RCMP SUPERINTENDENT FROM GIBBONS, BRITISH COLUMBIA. FOR WEEKS, THE SEARCH FOR THE SUSPECTS WAS CENTERED AROUND GILLAM, MANITOBA. CBC NEWS SPOKE TO THE MAYOR OF THAT COMMUNITY SHORTLY AFTER POLICE ANNOUNCED THEY HAD FOUND TWO BODIES.>>I SENSE RELEAVE FOR ALL COMMUNITIES INVOLVED IN THE NORTH HERE, FOX LAKE, GILLAM, ILLFORD AND — WE DON’T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ANY LONGER.>>AND WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THIS NEWS AND HOW — WHAT’S IT LIKE DEALING WITH IT NOW?>>OBVIOUSLY I JUST TALKED TO THEM TODAY BEFORE THE PRESS CONFERENCE MYSELF AND THE CHIEF CONCLUDED AND WE WERE NOTIFIED AND WE’RE DOING OUR BEST TO SET UP SOME COMMUNITY COMMUNITY GATHERING TO WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THIS.>>AND WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? YOU OBVIOUSLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS BUT WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU HEAR — WHEN YOU HEAR THAT NEWS AND YOU’RE TOLD FROM THE RCMP?>>WELL, JUST AN ABSOLUTE SENSE OF RELIEF THAT THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME CLOSURE FOR THE COMMUNITIES OF FOX LAKE AND GILL APPEAR RIGHT NOW. THAT’S IN THE IMMEDIATE SENSE THAT I FELT BUT ON A SECONDARY LEVEL, I IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO FEEL FOR THE VICTIMS’ FAMILIES, FOR CNYNNA, LUCAS AND LEONARD. THOSE FAMILIES, I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY’RE GOING TO EVER GET CLOSURE FROM THIS BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY’RE GOING TO GET ANSWERS AND I FEEL DEEPLY FOR THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE AFFECTED.>>Andrew: THAT IS DWAYNE FOREMAN SPEAKING TO CBC NEWS THIS AFTERNOON. I WANT TO BRING IN OUR NEXT GUEST. DAVE McDONALD IS THE FOUNDER AND LEAD SURVIVAL INSTRUCTTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL CANADIAN SCHOOL OF SURVIVAL. HE JOINS US FROM LACH DID HE LAE BONNIE, MANITOBA. CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THE TERRAIN THAT THEY WERE SEARCHING IN?>>IT WOULD BE ROCKY ALONG THE SHORELINE, THERE WOULD BE LITTLE INLETS, LOTS OF OVERHANGING TREES. SHADOWY AREAS WHERE YOU COULD STASH A SMALL VESSEL LIKE A SMALL BOAT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THEN YOU COULD JUST MOVE IN SHORE A LITTLE WAYS IN LAND AND THEN NOBODY WOULD EVEN KNOW YOU WERE THERE IF YOU DIDN’T HAVE A FIRE, YOU WEREN’T MOVING AROUND OR ANYTHING UNLESS THEY WERE GOING BY OR SOMETHING, THE DOGS AND THE WIND HAPPENED TO BE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, FROM THEM TO YOU OUT IN THE WATER AND THEY WOULD MAYBE DETECT THEM BUT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE THEM IN ALONG THAT SHORELINE IF THEY WERE TUCKED IN.>>Andrew: ARE YOU SURPRISED AT ALL THAT POLICE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO FIND THE BODIES?>>YES, I’M VERY SURPRISED THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THE BODIES. IT WILL PROVIDE A LOT OF CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILIES AND OF COURSE THE INVESTIGATION AND ALL THE REST OF IT SO IT’S A GOOD THING THEY DIDN’T MOVE INLAND TOO FAR, OTHERWISE THEY MAYBE WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUND THEM OR IF THEY HAD PULLED THE BOAT UP FARTHER OR STASHED IT FARTHER INLAND THEY MAY NOT HAVE COME DOWNSTREAM AS WELL DWU WE DON’T KNOW COMPA W.H.A. EXACTLY CAUSED THEIR DEATHS –>>Andrew: WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CAUSED THEIR DEATHS AT LEAST AT THIS TIME, WE MAY LEARN, BUT WHAT KIND OF DANGERS ARE PEOPLE FACING OUT IN THIS KIND OF WILDERNESS. IF YOU WERE MOVING AT NIGHT ON THAT RIVER AND YOU DIDN’T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE DOING OR YOU WEREN’T VERY GOOD AT YOU WERE DOING MOVING THAT BOAT THROUGH THAT WATER, YOU COULD EASILY TIP IT AND THEN YOU’RE SWIMMING TO SHORE WITH LITTLE TO NO EQUIPMENT AT NIGHT NOT KNOWING WHERE THE OTHER PERSON IS OR WHERE YOUR EQUIPMENT OR BOAT IS AND THEN MOVE INLAND TO SAFETY AND THEN LAY DOWN AND LAY DOWN AND POSSIBLY NOT GET UP AGAIN OR LAY DOWN UNTIL YOU SUCCUMB TO THE ELEMENTS.>>Andrew: HOW RELIEVED DO YOU THINK POLICE ARE TO BE ABLE TO GET –>>THERE’S REALLY A MULTITUDE OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.>>Andrew: YEAH. HOW RELIEVED POLICE ARE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE BUSH?>>THEY WOULD BE PRETTY RELIEVED. THE INVESTIGATION’S GONE A LONG TIME, A LOT OF RESOURCES, A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF MANPOWER, A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS FOR BOTH — FOR THE SEARCHERS FOR SURE. THEY WILL BE HAPPY THAT IT’S OVER AND THAT THEY CAN KIND OF TIE THIS UP AND PUT THEIR RESOURCES BACK TO DOING OTHER THINGS. BUT YEAH, THEY’RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE FOUND THEM. GREAT JOB BY THE RCMP.>>Andrew: DAVE, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME, THANK YOU. DAVE PLAQUE DONALD IS THE FOUNDER OF INTERNATIONAL CANADIAN SCHOOL OF SURVIVAL AND HE JOINED US FROM LAC DE BONNIE, MANITOBA.>>THANK YOU, TAKE CARE.>>ONE OF THE FIRST SIGHTINGS. FIEWDGES ACTIVE WAS BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN NAMED AS SUSPECTS. THEY WERE IN JADE CITY, A SHOP ON HIGHWAY 37 IN NORTHERN B.C., NOT FAR FROM DEASE LAKE WHERE VICTIM LEONARD DYCK WAS FOUND. LAST HOUR WE SPOKE TO THE OWNER OF THAT ESTABLISHMENT. HERE IS WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE SUSPECTS’ BODIES BEING FOUND.>>IT’S A LOT TO PROCESS AND GO THROUGH AGAIN. I TRULY, TRULY BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY VICTIMS IN THIS CRIME AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND, LIKE US, WHO MET THEM, WHO SAW THEM, WHO — YOU KNOW, WHO WERE WORRIED THAT THEY WERE HERE, WE DIDN’T KNOW IF THEY WERE COMING BACK. I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS IN THIS.>>Andrew: HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANYONE ELSE IN THE AREA WHO ENCOUNTERED THE SUSPECTS?>>I’VE HEARD NEWS THAT A FEW OTHER BUSINESSES, THEY HAD GONE INTO AND TALKED TO. I THINK WE’RE ALL FEELING THE SAME WAY AND THAT IS WHY. DO WE GO BACK TO NORMAL? I DON’T THINK SO. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY OF US QUICKLY ARE GOING TO STOP LOCKING OUR DOORS OR BE LOOKING AT PEOPLE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO RECOVER FROM AND IT WAS VERY QUICK FOR US HERE. WE’VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR THREE WEEKS AND STILL NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY WERE BUT JUST PEOPLE IN MANITOBA AND THE FEAR, DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, I THINK IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO RECOVER FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS.>>Andrew: AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE KEY QUESTION, WHY. HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL THAT WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?>>YEAH, WHAT COULD WE DO EVEN IF WE KNEW WHY? I THINK THAT OF COURSE WE ALL WONDER WHY, WHAT CREATES THIS, BUT WE MAY NEVER KNOW.>>Andrew: AND CAN YOU TAKE US BACK TO WHEN YOU HAD AN ENCOUNTER WHEN YOU SAW THESE TWO SUSPECTS, JUST TELL US WHAT THAT WAS LIKE, WHAT THEY WERE LIKE?>>I THINK THAT IT’S REALLY BUSY HERE, IT’S SUMMERTIME, THERE’S PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH. THEY WERE NORMAL, EYES DOWN. NOT REALLY SOCIAL. THEY WERE TEENAGERS. THEY PURCHASED SOMETHING IN OUR STORE, THEY PURCHASED A LITTLE BEAR AND TO THINK JUST A FEW HOURS LATER THAT THEY MURDERED SOMEBODY HAD THEY STAYED HERE, I THINK ALL THESE THINGS GO THROUGH OUR MINDS. IT’S UNEASY. BUT HONESTLY I HAVE THREE SONS. I FEEL DEEPLY FOR THEIR FAMILIES. THERE’S GOING TO BE A LOT TO PROCESS.>>Andrew: IT WAS DIFFICULT LISTENING TO THE RCMP SAY THAT THEY MAY INTERNATIONAL FILM THIS MAY GIVE THE FAMILIES OR THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY ALL THIS SOME CLOSURE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXHALE. DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU CAN EXHALE A LITTLE BIT?>>YOU KNOW I THINK IT’S JUST A REALLY LITTLE BIT THAT YOU CAN EXHALE, SO YES THEY’RE FOUND, BUT I THINK THAT THERE’S A LOT MORE TO DEAL WITH. AND YES IN A ACCEPTS, BUT I SENK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SCARRING US FOR A WHILE.>>Andrew: SO HOW DO YOU KIND OF MOVE ON OR HOW DO YOU HEAL FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS?>>OCCUPY, WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY AND WE ALL STICK TOGETHER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE’S A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNITIES WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP EACHER, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT WILL HELP US TO MOVE ON AND TO HEAL.>>Andrew: THAT WAS CLAUDIA BUNCE, THE OWNER OF JADE CITY. DURING THE LONG SEARCH FOR THE SUSPECTS WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEM AS WELL AS CRIMINAL EXPERTS. TANYA FLETCHER HAS MORE ABOUT THESE LIFELONG FRIENDS AND WHAT MAY HAVE MOTIVATED THEM.>>THEIR FACES HAVE BEEN SEEN AROUND THE WORLD. BUT IN THEIR HOMETOWN OF PORT ALBERNI, B.C., IT’S A STRUGGLE TO FIND PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEM WELL. MUCH OF THEIR SOCIAL INTERACTION APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONLINE, BOTH HAD PROFILES ON GAMING SITES. THESE PHOTOS OF BRYER SCHMEGELSKY WERE SENT TO CBC BY A FELLOW GAMER. HE SAYS THE 18-YEAR-OLD OFTEN WANTED TO DISCUSS THE NAZI REGIME AND MENTIONED HIS AIR SOFT RIFLE SEVERAL TIMES. HIS DAD SAYS HE BOUGHT IT FOR HIM A FEW YEARS AGO.>>TWO CHRISTMASES AGO, HE ASKED ME FOR AN AIR SOFT GUN, WHICH IS A REPLICA GUN, RIGHT. AND SO HE WAS TELLING ME, WELL, ME AND THE FELLAS, WE LIKE TO GO OUT IN THE WOODS AND PLAY WAR.>>Reporter: HE SAYS HIS SON LOVED PLAYING VIDEO GAMES BUT IT WAS HIS APPARENT LOVE OF VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES THAT RAISED RED FLAGS FOR SOME WHO KNEW SCHMEGELSKY.>>HE WOULD MENTION THINGS ABOUT, LIKE IF THIS WAS REAL, YOU KNOW. LIKE WHEN THEY WERE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, LIKE COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THIS WAS REAL KIND OF A THING. AND HE WOULD GET A LITTLE TOO EXCITED ABOUT IT.>>LISA LUCAS LIVES NEXT DOOR TO SCHMEGELSKY’S GRANDMOTHER WHERE HE LIVED FOR SOME TIME. HER SON PLAYED WITH HIM GROWING UP BUT THE BOYS EVENTUALLY GREW APART.>>HE JUST GAVE OFF A WEIRD KIND OF A VIBE. HE AFTER A WHILE STARTED MAKING PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.>>OTHERS DESCRIBE SCHMEGELSKY AS AN OUTSIDER.>>HE WAS DEFINITELY NOT YOUR AVERAGE GUY AND HE WAS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD.>>Reporter: THIS BOY MET SCHMEGELSKY A FEW MONTHS AGO AT A SKATE PARK AND THE TWO STAYED IN TOUCH ON FACEBOOK. IN APRIL SCHMEGELSKY SENT HIM THIS MESSAGE IF HE WANTED TO MEET UP TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS.>>SAYING STUFF LIKE HE WANTED TO START A MILITIA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR DO SOME GUN SHOOTING OR DEEPER DARKER POLITICS INVOLVED TOO, RIGHT.>>Reporter: WE DON’T KNOW AS MANY ABOUT KAM McLEOD BUT SEVERAL PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH IN PORT ALBERNI DESCRIBE HIM AS POLITE. WORKERS AT A COFFEE SHOP HE FREQUENTED SAY HE WAS VERY CONSIDERATE, THOSE ARE THE SAME WORDS HIS FATHER USES TO DESCRIBE HIM. IN A STATEMENT, HE WRITES… THE TWO CHILDHOOD FRIENDS ALSO WORKED TOGETHER RECENTLY AT WAL-MART. SO FORA SEEMINGLY INSPARABLE DUO, QUESTIONS ARE NOW TURNING TO THEIR CURRENT DYNAMIC. SOCIOLOGY EXPERTS SAY FOR A PAIR ON THE RUN, ONE USUALLY EMERGES AS THE CLEAR LEADER.>>SOMETIMES THE PERSON WHO IS A FOLLOWER, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT REALIZE THAT THEY’RE IN OVER THEIR HEADS, THAT THEY HAVE DONE THINGS THAT THEY DIDN’T ANTICIPATE DOING. AND THEY SUDDENLY REALIZE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS SO THIS CAN LEAD TO MOMENTS OF DISCORD.>>Reporter: FOR THE FRIENDS TURNED FUGITIVES, QUESTIONS REMAIN THAT ONLY THEY CAN ANSWER. TANYA FLETCHER, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.>>Andrew: AND JENNIFER HALL IS ME ONSET WITH MORE ON TODAY’S BREAKING NEWS AND THE KEY QUESTION THAT TANYA RAISED IN THAT REPORT, SHE HAD THAT READY IN CASE THIS HAPPENED, BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WOULD BE MAJOR NEWS, THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS TO POLICE, BECAUSE THE SUSPECTS WERE FOUND DEAD. AND THAT’S THE NEWS THAT WE HAD JUST UNDER TWO HOURS AGO.>>EXACTLY. RCMP ISSUING A MEMO TODAY SAYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, A SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THIS ONGOING MANHUNT THAT BEGAN ALL THE WAY BACK JULY 15 WITH THE DEATH OF THE FIRST TWO VICTIMS AND ULTIMATELY A FEW DAYS LATER BEING THESE TWO YOUNG MEN WERE NAMED AS SUSPECTS. SO POLICE TOLD US THIS AFTERNOON THAT AT 10 a.m. THIS MORNING THE BODIES OF TWO MEN WHO THEY BELIEVE TO BE THE TWO SUSPECTS KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY WERE FOUND IN DENSE BRUSH AND ANDREW, THIS WAS FOUND IN THE AREA OF FOX LAKE CREE NATION. SO THAT’S ABOUT 70 KILOMETRES NORTHEAST OF GILLAM, MANITOBA, WHICH IS WHERE RCMP HAD LEFT THEIR FORCES AFTER BEING BEING DIVERTED TO A FEW OTHER PLACE AND THE OPP HAVING TIPS OF OTHER SIGHTINGS THAT WERE NEVER SUBSTANTIATED. RCMP STILL HAD A PRESENCE ALTHOUGH MUCH REDUCED IN THIS AREA. AND A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO HAD FOUND SOME ITEMS NEAR THE NELSON RIVER IN THAT AREA, THAT THEY BELIEVED BELONGED TO THE TWO SUSPECTS. IN ADDITION, THEY HAD FOUND A BOAT, A SORT OF BEAT UP FISHING BOAT BY THE RIVER AND THAT ALERTED THEM TO THIS AREA. THEY THEN TODAY SAY THAT AT 10 O’CLOCK, RCMP OFFICERS DOING A FOOT SEARCH IN THE DENSE BRUSH DISCOVERED THESE TWO BODIES. AND ANDREW, THE RCMP WERE SPEAKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THIS WAS, SO DENSE THAT BRUSH THAT YOU COULDN’T EVEN SEARCH ARM IN ARM AS TWO OFFICERS LOOKING FOR THESE MEN.>>Andrew: BUT THESE WERE SPECIALIZED OFFICERS, IT WAS A SMALLER GRID THAT THEY WERE WORKING WITH SO THEY WERE ABLE TO AFTER SOME FRUSTRATION FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HECTARES OF SEARCHING THEY WERE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THESE BODIES BUT A KEY QUESTION, THE TWO KEY QUESTIONS THAT REMAIN IS WHY AND THE OTHER ONE IS CAUSE OF DEATH AND THAT WE DON’T KNOW YET IN TERMS OF THE SUSPECTS.>>THAT’S RIGHT, WE DON’T KNOW AND THEY’RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE BODIES, OTHER THAN HOW LONG THEY — OR HOW LONG THEY MAY HAVE BEEN THERE OTHER THAN TO SAY THERE WILL BE AUTOPSIES THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN WINNIPEG. WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN. IN TERMS OF THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE MURDERS THAT WILL HAPPEN ON THE B.C. SIDE BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE THE MURDERS TOOK PLACE. THE RCMP TODAY SAYING THAT’S WHERE THE INVESTIGATION WILL GO FROM HERE, BUT FOR THEIR PART, ANDREW, THEY WANTED TO THANK ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SEARCH, SO RCMP, REMEMBER THE MILITARY WAS INVOLVED AT ONE POINT. THERE WERE HERCULES AIRCRAFT FLYING, HELICOPTERS. THERE WERE DOGS SEARCHING. THIS INVOLVED ALL LEVELS OF POLICING IN NORTHERN MANITOBA AND INDEED IN B.C., CERTAIN LEVELS AS WELL, AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS. AND SO SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE RELIEF THAT THE OFFICERS FEEL, WANTED TO THANK THEM, BUT ALSO ULTIMATELY WANTED TO THANK THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. THESE ARE SMALL REMOTE COMMUNITIES FOR THE MOST PART IN NORTHERN MANITOBA, MANY OF THEM UNUSED TO A PLACE PRESENCE ON A REGULAR BASIS, LET ALONE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA AND THRONGS OF POLICE. AND SO SHE THANKED THEM AND SAID I HOPE NOW THAT THE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO EXHALE AND NOT BE AFRAID OF WHO IS OUT IN THE WOODS ANYMORE. WE KNOW, ANDREW, WE’VE HEARD FROM FAMILIES WHO SAID THIS WAS PRETTY TRAUMATIZING, THEY WERE ON LOCKDOWN IN GILLAM, MANITOBA FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEIR CHILDREN WERE BEING KEPT INSIDE, YOU HAD TO HAVE AN ESCORT IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO A DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENT, IT WAS PRETTY TERRIFYING.>>Andrew: BUT IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER FOR THE RCMP IN MANITOBA, THAT WHILE THEY DON’T HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT IT IS THESE TWO SUSPECTS, THEY’RE CONFIDENT. THEY HAD A NEWS CONFERENCE. WE’RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE RCMP IN BRITISH COLUMBIA IN ABOUT AN HOUR FROM NOW ONLINE THAT PART OF THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION. SO SURELY IF THEY’RE SAYING THAT THEY’RE CONFIDENT, THEY’RE PRETTY SURE BASED ON A WHAT EXACTLY WE’RE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT THESE ARE IN FACT THE SUSPECTS. SO MAYBE SOME CLOSURE, BUT MAYBE NOT TOTAL CLOSURE FOR SOME OF THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS, RIGHT?>>Reporter: WELL, NO, AND THESE FAMILIES DON’T FORGET, ARE STILL IN MOURNING. THE FAMILIES OF LUCAS FOWLER, A 23-YEAR-OLD FROM AUSTRALIA, CHYNNA DEESE, A 24-YEAR-OLD FROM CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA AND THEIR PARENTS SPOKE ABOUT HOW THE TWO MET AND FELL IN LOVE AND THEY WERE AVID TRAVELLERS. THEY MET AT A HOSTEL IN CROATIA AND HAD BEEN TRAVELLING THE WORLD SINCE THEN. IN FACT THE LAST IMAGES WERE THE TWO OF THEM EMBRACING AT A GAS STATION IN B.C. AND NOT LONG BEFORE THEY WERE FOUND SHOT TO DEATH. LEONARD DYCK, 64 YEARS OLD IN VANCOUVER, A WIFE CHILDREN HE LEAVES BEHIND, HE WAS A SESSIONAL INSTRUCTOR AT UBC. WHEN YOU THINK OF THE NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT THIS HAS AFFECTED, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THOSE VICTIMS PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY. WE KNOWN THE FUNERALS HAVE BEEN HELD BUT THERE WILL BE A LONG PERIOD OF GRIEVING NOW AND QUESTIONS THAT AS YOU REFER TO, ANDREW, MAY NEVER BE ANSWERED. THE BIG ONE BEING WHY.>>Andrew: ALL RIGHT, JENNIFER, THANK YOU. NOW, McLEOD AND SCHMEGELSKY WERE FROM PORT ALBERNI ON VANCOUVER ISLAND. THEY WERE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS AND UP UNTIL RECENTLY BOTH WORKED AT A LOCAL WAL-MART. AFTER THE TWO MEN WERE NAMED SUSPECTS, WE SPOKE TO THE COMMUNITY THERE ABOUT THEIR TOWN BEING IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT.>>I KNOW HOW — HOW TIGHT KNIT OUR COMMUNITY IS, AND IT HURTS TO KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN TO PEOPLE FROM HERE. AND IT’S A SCARY THING. SO I’M HOPING WE GET THE ANSWERS THAT WE’RE LOOKING FOR.>>UM, I THINK THE MAIN FEELING IS JUST WHAT THE PARENTS ARE GOING THROUGH, AND IT COULD BE ANY OF US. AND ANY OF OUR KIDS.>>NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING, RIGHT. AND THIS IS A REALLY WONDERFUL LITTLE COMMUNITY. AND ALL OF US WANT TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES. AND YOU KNOW, THEY DESERVE THAT SUPPORT, BECAUSE JUST AS THEY, THEY DON’T KNOW WEIGHTS GOING ON. NONE OF US DO. YOU DON’T, HE DOESN’T, THE POLICE REALLY DON’T. SO I’M HERE TO SUPPORT THOSE FAMILIES, JUST LIKE I KNOW THEY WOULD BE HERE TO SUPPORT MINE IF IT WAS THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE.>>Andrew: RESIDENTS OF PORT ALBERNI, B.C. SPEAKING ABOUT KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY. SO A REMINDER OF OUR MAJOR BREAKING NEWS… THE CANADA WIDE MANHUNT FOR TWO MURDER SUSPECTS IS NOW OVER. RCMP SAY THEY BELIEVE THEY’VE FOUND THE BODIES OF KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY THIS MORNING IN NORTHERN MANITOBA AT 10 a.m. LOCAL TIME. AUTOPSIES ARE BEING SCHEDULED TO DETERMINE THE CAUSES OF DEATH. THE DUO WERE WANTED IN CONNECTION TO THE MURDERS OF LEONARD DYCK, LUCAS FOWLER AND CHYNNA DEESE IN NORTHERN BRITISH COLUMBIA. CHYNNNA’S MOTHER SHEILA SPOKE TO CBC NEWS AND SUMMED UP HER REACTION TO TODAY’S ANNOUNCEMENT IN ONE WORD: SPEECHLESS. OUR KATIE SIMPSON CONTINUES OUR COVERAGE OF THIS BREAKING NEWS. “POWER & POLITICS” STARTS RIGHT NOW.

91 thoughts on “B.C. homicides: Hunt for fugitives ends

  • The "Great Out There" or the Canadian Wilderness took them out a while ago. I am confident the authorities, at this point , were looking to bodies.

  • Thought you caught them a while back — murder fugitives. like escaped convicts, should never be off the media radar until they're caught

  • The RCMP always get there man they are a world class police force

    Defund the CBC and give it to lLaw-enforcement

  • Doesn't add up. They were island children not men. Why would they drive to a reserve in northern Manitoba? Why would they torch the car before replacing it or even at all if suicide was the plan? Where did they get the gun claimed used? Was it recovered? Who owned it? Too much bizarre stuff here.

  • A logical reason for the lack of heat signatures detected by the military is the boys were cold 24 hours before the planes took to the sky. Also my guess is the dogs found them. My condolences to all the families involved. Sad and unnecessary series of events.

  • What a coinkidink that a boat appears out of nowhere. RCMP suddenly setup a roadblock to keep people out. Items suddenly found on river bank. Two bodies suddenly found? Me thinks RCMP shot them dead days ago and they were unarmed. Make a quick story up and place bodies & items in bush and along river. Send an old banged up boat down river and wow..look what they find! This whole story stinks

  • I wish the CBC would interview someone from Quebec so we could get a long monotonous interview in French & English.
    They're victims too, you know.

  • Good heavens, CBC. Please see that Austin Grabbish (sp?) gets English grammar lessons. His work is a low standard. I hate to be grumpy about this but I'm finding it distracting from the news item.

  • I wonder what happened to the bearded man who was arguing with the couple on the Hwy. in Canada??? Why did these two teens give their real, full names to the man who helped them when their vehicle got stuck in the mud???? Was Kam Bryers hostage??? None of this makes any sense???? I wish they were found alive, as we will never know for sure????? And, so many families in mourning……🤔 🤔 🤔

  • The guy with the beard was the leader. He did the killings. The other guy was a follower. When the other guy's back was turned or while he walked ahead of the leader the leader shot and killed him then the leader killed himself.

    Chose your friends carefully younglings.

  • At least there will be "no more victims"… by these guys anyway. Rcmp will piece some of the story together from evidence… but they won't be filling in the blanks. At least… no lenient sentences for these two… I'm satisfied.

  • It is the worst outcome really. Especially when they could have been easily found alive having left a trail from BC to Gillam. Not sure if the police did a great job because finding them dead isn't going to bring any closure to anyone. The search for the boys may have ended, but the search for answers will never end now.

  • I believe robbery was the motive for killing the young couple. The RCMP has not disclosed if the RAV 4 that the two suspects were driving last belonged to the professor, Mr Leonard Dyck

  • big surprise,lazy cops and sub par millitary,11000 sq kms scanned by plane,1000's of hrs , hundreds of police/military and they were 8kms from the burned out car. total bs and embarassment

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    We NEED Jesus! PERIOD!
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    We NEVER want TO learn!
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    SOME MORE!!!

  • discovery of the bodies found not far from there burn out truck ?? how long were they dead were they dead before the other or after what do they have that show they did the killing ?

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  • you can see by the look on their faces at the store they knew this was not going to end well,likely they bought pills and commited suicide! Canada needs to watch the youth and what they play into and teach more about compassion for all living things like it was many years ago,raising a barn mowing a neigbors yard hurts no one and aids all!

  • you can't compare citizens of different countrys to a country,China youth are not the same as our youth to say something is safe for youth here because it is safe in a country where diplomacy/polite is a way of life is a childish outlook on what truth is!

  • Not being found alive is a big success for Canada. Being found alive would of been the greater success for the Deese’, Fowlers’, Dyck’s families for closure. The grief cycle will be tougher, longer, and guesswork. All in all, Bryer and Kam can’t harm anymore people. As coward as they were, is as cowardly as they left. Murder suicide most likely.. But let’s pray for the healing of the families that can ‘kind of’ sit back and digest this new information. </3

  • Could one or both have been victims? Is that a possibility that is being investigated ? Not conspiracy just a question

  • The devil motivated them to do it, I prey the god forgives them, prey for family’s involved and pray for less evil in Canada and that this brings people closer to god. In Jesus name. Amen

  • Saves the tax payer the upkeep. I have absolutely not one iota of sympathy for either of these two regardless of their suffering.

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    If you Canukes can sustain the achievement, its guaranteed there will be a season 5 and 6 !!

  • you still don't have the evidence you have no weapons with their fingerprints on it from the beginning a spin-off speculation that these two did it you have no concrete evidence yet that they actually did it and now you won't the main evidence would be the weapons with their DNA or fingerprints on them other than that you have nothing just speculation

  • A side comment: Some cities are overpopulated, but this story, from CBC, don't forget that…by CBC own mouth piece, with its repeated messages of the tens of thousands of miles of wilderness is proof the earth is NOT overpop.

  • Senseless killing. Tragic end. Why? We probably won’t ever know. It’s just so sad all the way around. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families, including the suspects’ families. Smh.

  • They went to Gillam because they thought they would be able to walk onto a hydro dam construction site and get a job right off the street and that the hiring people wouldn't hear of their crimes. They were doomed before they even left to Gillam. It doesn't work like that!

  • Thank you to the RCMP, special forces brought in and hearts to all those who worried so long with the stressors of keeping your families safe… my heart goes out to the families that lost their lives to these sad unjust tragedies… ❣️❣️

  • I'm hoping a grizzly got at them! Still would have been better to have them face life in prison and to know why

  • Haven't followed this story much. But looks like a pair of dispossessed boys seeking some kind of vengeance and thrill. Likely one dominant and memorizing the other follower. Not unlike Combine boys. Most likely one or the other has been exposed to antidepressant drugs that are the Catalyst for All mass shootings we see these days. Yes, ALL. Not some. ALL mass attacks like recent El Paso and Ohio are rooted in the perp's exposure to ssri or related psychiatric drugs. Otherwise these acts would stop at ideation. Only with the perverting effects of prescription psychiatric drugs are a percentage of patients prone to mass attacks like the van Rampage in Toronto and Danforth Street shooter also in Toronto last year. Few if any can conceive this to be the single determinant factor because it's an anathema to even think that drugs endorsed by regulations we trust could be the single determinant factor making the difference between acting out and not acting out. This can be scientifically proven using statistics proving correlation Is causation given the high N value (number of incidents) correlated with the introduction and rise in use of these drug as well as understanding the reciprocal effect or rebound effect they can have on vulnerable minds. In twenty years years they look back appalled these drugs were ever allowed to remain in the market for decades before this reality was realized.

  • If I were the suspects' parents/family I would be suspicious the cops had something to do with their deaths. And I'd make sure I'd find out if there had been a coverup. I feel bad for ALL the families affected by this sickening tragedy.

  • The Local tour guide Clint, called it in his Interview on July 25th. He said there's boats laying around everywhere, and there is Rapids 8kms down that they wouldn't make it thru… We all know they would be traveling at night, Which would make the navigation if the river even more deadly… And it was Clint who discovered the sleeping bag. He followed his theory… And he was right… They probably used a backroads map book and seen a backroad into Northern Ontario, but didn't take into account, it has to be frozen to drive on… This is a Horrific tragedy for all the familys involved. And the Victims 💔

  • The teens body language & facial expressions says a lot…I don't think this is complicated at all…3 people at the wrong place at the wrong time were encountered by 2 teens with no regard for human life…they were the killers and did everything they could to cover up the evidence and ended up being killed by their own quest for continuing their journey…there is not always a 'motive' in situations like this one…sadly this entire series of events is becoming all too common in the World today..

  • I think a bear got them. It's there anywhere you can place a bet on how they died?
    They would have been very weak.

  • Thank god for the BEAR CLAN if it wasn’t for them and their sharp keen precise vision and on the spot accurate sighting , and patrolling and spotting them in the right area they would never have found them and by the way they also spotted Bigfoot in the same garbage dump.

  • What's the matter with that bloke in the green shirt? Like he's about to cry all the time. So annoying. Go get a speech pathologist.

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